From andyo at oreilly.com Mon Jun 12 05:33:39 2017 From: andyo at oreilly.com (Andy Oram) Date: Mon, 12 Jun 2017 08:33:39 -0400 Subject: [FM Discuss] Article: Programming techniques that can help you write Message-ID: Readers of the FM list, and the people you work with on manuals, might get useful ideas from the short article that I recently posted: https://medium.com/@praxagora_12999/https-medium-com-praxagora-12999-programming-techniques-that-can-help-you-write-10fe714abd72 It builds on ideas such as modularity and separation of concerns, showing how they apply to documentation as well as programming. Andy Oram | Editor O'Reilly Media, Inc. | 617-499-7479 | oreilly.com [image: oreilly_email_logo.png] -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From gpittman at iglou.com Mon Jun 12 06:12:40 2017 From: gpittman at iglou.com (Gregory Pittman) Date: Mon, 12 Jun 2017 09:12:40 -0400 Subject: [FM Discuss] Article: Programming techniques that can help you write In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <0bcd408d-d53c-b782-4ad7-1e5b686bc37f@iglou.com> On 06/12/2017 08:33 AM, Andy Oram wrote: > Readers of the FM list, and the people you work with on manuals, might > get useful ideas from the short article that I recently posted: > > https://medium.com/@praxagora_12999/https-medium-com-praxagora-12999-programming-techniques-that-can-help-you-write-10fe714abd72 > > It builds on ideas such as modularity and separation of concerns, > showing how they apply to documentation as well as programming. > I think there are some interesting points here, but I find that at the end, I only have a number of thought-balloons of its contents, without seeing a clear connectivity. Another way of saying this would be that there are ideas here, but not a method. Greg From andyo at oreilly.com Tue Jun 27 17:47:24 2017 From: andyo at oreilly.com (Andy Oram) Date: Tue, 27 Jun 2017 20:47:24 -0400 Subject: [FM Discuss] Who's interested in updating "Introduction to the Command Line" Message-ID: I mentioned this book recently on this list. I think the easiest way to move forward would be to put together a list of people with positive feelings to this book, who would like to provide input to our plans to bring it into the 2010s. Could you respond to me personally if you'd like to work on the concept behind the book and the outline? The book has been highly respected, I think, and an update will make us all look good. The Free Software Foundation sponsored the creation of the original book and is very interested in having it updated. So I will be working with both FLOSS Manuals and the FSF to get it updated. 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Manchester Metropolitan University Web: http://edlab.org.uk / Twitter: @EdLabMMU Phone: 0161 2472060 ________________________________ From: Discuss on behalf of Andy Oram Sent: 28 June 2017 01:47 To: discuss at lists.flossmanuals.net Subject: [FM Discuss] Who's interested in updating "Introduction to the Command Line" I mentioned this book recently on this list. I think the easiest way to move forward would be to put together a list of people with positive feelings to this book, who would like to provide input to our plans to bring it into the 2010s. Could you respond to me personally if you'd like to work on the concept behind the book and the outline? The book has been highly respected, I think, and an update will make us all look good. The Free Software Foundation sponsored the creation of the original book and is very interested in having it updated. So I will be working with both FLOSS Manuals and the FSF to get it updated. Andy Oram | Editor O'Reilly Media, Inc. | 617-499-7479 | oreilly.com [oreilly_email_logo.png] "Before acting on this email or opening any attachments you should read the Manchester Metropolitan University email disclaimer available on its website http://www.mmu.ac.uk/emaildisclaimer " -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From mick at flossmanuals.net Wed Jun 28 14:42:40 2017 From: mick at flossmanuals.net (Mick) Date: Wed, 28 Jun 2017 22:42:40 +0100 Subject: [FM Discuss] Let's Encrypt on https://flossmanuals.net In-Reply-To: <1498686047030.23267@mmu.ac.uk> References: <1498686047030.23267@mmu.ac.uk> Message-ID: Hi there, I've just set up Let's Encrypt SSL Certs on flossmanuals.net and en.flossmanuals.net. Can anyone verify that they work for them? I'm amazed how easy it was! (and free) This is a great project! Thanks Mick From Martin.Kean at op.ac.nz Wed Jun 28 15:03:46 2017 From: Martin.Kean at op.ac.nz (Martin Kean) Date: Wed, 28 Jun 2017 22:03:46 +0000 Subject: [FM Discuss] Let's Encrypt on https://flossmanuals.net In-Reply-To: References: <1498686047030.23267@mmu.ac.uk>, Message-ID: Awesome work Mick! But when I went to http://en.flossmanuals.net/ they didnt work, and defaulted to unsecure http. also when I tried en.flossmanuals.net. However when I added https it worked. Same thing with flossmanuals.net. I think you need some kind for 'force https', whether that's a server tool or a rewrite in .htaccess Cheers, martin ________________________________ From: Discuss on behalf of Mick Sent: Thursday, 29 June 2017 9:42:40 a.m. To: discuss at lists.flossmanuals.net Subject: [FM Discuss] Let's Encrypt on https://flossmanuals.net Hi there, I've just set up Let's Encrypt SSL Certs on flossmanuals.net and en.flossmanuals.net. Can anyone verify that they work for them? I'm amazed how easy it was! (and free) This is a great project! Thanks Mick _______________________________________________ Discuss mailing list Discuss at lists.flossmanuals.net http://lists.flossmanuals.net/listinfo.cgi/discuss-flossmanuals.net -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From Martin.Kean at op.ac.nz Wed Jun 28 15:06:42 2017 From: Martin.Kean at op.ac.nz (Martin Kean) Date: Wed, 28 Jun 2017 22:06:42 +0000 Subject: [FM Discuss] Who's interested in updating "Introduction to the Command Line" In-Reply-To: <1498686047030.23267@mmu.ac.uk> References: , <1498686047030.23267@mmu.ac.uk> Message-ID: Yes I'm always interested :) I'm not a hardcore CLI user so will not be able to contribute much, but I can assist with proofreading, editing, or anything else you suggest. All the best, Martin ________________________________ From: Discuss on behalf of Mick Chesterman Sent: Thursday, 29 June 2017 9:40:47 a.m. To: discuss at lists.flossmanuals.net Subject: Re: [FM Discuss] Who's interested in updating "Introduction to the Command Line" Hi Andy, I'm certainly up for contributing and I'll put the word out to some local lists in Manchester too. Many thanks for taking this up. Let me know if there is anything I can do to help. MIck Mick Chesterman EdLab Project Developer Department of Childhood, Youth and Education Studies. Manchester Metropolitan University Web: http://edlab.org.uk / Twitter: @EdLabMMU Phone: 0161 2472060 ________________________________ From: Discuss on behalf of Andy Oram Sent: 28 June 2017 01:47 To: discuss at lists.flossmanuals.net Subject: [FM Discuss] Who's interested in updating "Introduction to the Command Line" I mentioned this book recently on this list. I think the easiest way to move forward would be to put together a list of people with positive feelings to this book, who would like to provide input to our plans to bring it into the 2010s. Could you respond to me personally if you'd like to work on the concept behind the book and the outline? The book has been highly respected, I think, and an update will make us all look good. The Free Software Foundation sponsored the creation of the original book and is very interested in having it updated. So I will be working with both FLOSS Manuals and the FSF to get it updated. Andy Oram | Editor O'Reilly Media, Inc. | 617-499-7479 | oreilly.com [oreilly_email_logo.png] "Before acting on this email or opening any attachments you should read the Manchester Metropolitan University email disclaimer available on its website http://www.mmu.ac.uk/emaildisclaimer " -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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I might contribute if I think I have anything to add. There is a lot of documentation out there about the command line, but most of it tends to be shallow, and simultaneously not showing much breadth. Greg From M.Chesterman at mmu.ac.uk Thu Jun 29 00:58:51 2017 From: M.Chesterman at mmu.ac.uk (Mick Chesterman) Date: Thu, 29 Jun 2017 07:58:51 +0000 Subject: [FM Discuss] Let's Encrypt on https://flossmanuals.net In-Reply-To: References: <1498686047030.23267@mmu.ac.uk>, , Message-ID: <1498719531005.19006@mmu.ac.uk> Hi there, Thanks for checking this Martin. did I didn't go for the force https option for this site as no user login details are used. But I did want people to have the option of doing https. I wasn't sure what the pros and cons were of forcing https but I'd be happy to have a go at redoing it if needed. nice one mick ________________________________ From: Discuss on behalf of Martin Kean Sent: 28 June 2017 23:03 To: discuss at lists.flossmanuals.net Subject: Re: [FM Discuss] Let's Encrypt on https://flossmanuals.net Awesome work Mick! But when I went to http://en.flossmanuals.net/ they didnt work, and defaulted to unsecure http. also when I tried en.flossmanuals.net. However when I added https it worked. Same thing with flossmanuals.net. I think you need some kind for 'force https', whether that's a server tool or a rewrite in .htaccess Cheers, martin ________________________________ From: Discuss on behalf of Mick Sent: Thursday, 29 June 2017 9:42:40 a.m. To: discuss at lists.flossmanuals.net Subject: [FM Discuss] Let's Encrypt on https://flossmanuals.net Hi there, I've just set up Let's Encrypt SSL Certs on flossmanuals.net and en.flossmanuals.net. Can anyone verify that they work for them? I'm amazed how easy it was! (and free) This is a great project! Thanks Mick _______________________________________________ Discuss mailing list Discuss at lists.flossmanuals.net http://lists.flossmanuals.net/listinfo.cgi/discuss-flossmanuals.net "Before acting on this email or opening any attachments you should read the Manchester Metropolitan University email disclaimer available on its website http://www.mmu.ac.uk/emaildisclaimer " -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From helen at creative-catalyst.com Thu Jun 29 01:35:17 2017 From: helen at creative-catalyst.com (helen varley jamieson) Date: Thu, 29 Jun 2017 10:35:17 +0200 Subject: [FM Discuss] Let's Encrypt on https://flossmanuals.net In-Reply-To: References: <1498686047030.23267@mmu.ac.uk> Message-ID: <7b009d1e-fb64-57c8-1ab5-70fb21161721@creative-catalyst.com> if "working" means that we don't get an insecure connection notification, then yes it worked for me :) (i have HTTPS Everywhere) would be interested to hear how you did it, mick, as i have a couple of sites where i maybe need this (on the log-in fields) h : ) On 29.06.2017 00:03, Martin Kean wrote: > > Awesome work Mick! > > > But when I went to http://en.flossmanuals.net/ they didnt work, and > defaulted to unsecure http. > > also when I tried en.flossmanuals.net. However when I added https it > worked. > > Same thing with flossmanuals.net. > > > I think you need some kind for 'force https', whether that's a server > tool or a rewrite in .htaccess > > > Cheers, martin > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > *From:* Discuss on behalf of > Mick > *Sent:* Thursday, 29 June 2017 9:42:40 a.m. > *To:* discuss at lists.flossmanuals.net > *Subject:* [FM Discuss] Let's Encrypt on https://flossmanuals.net > > Hi there, > > I've just set up Let's Encrypt SSL Certs on flossmanuals.net and > en.flossmanuals.net. > > Can anyone verify that they work for them? > > I'm amazed how easy it was! (and free) This is a great project! > > Thanks > Mick > > _______________________________________________ > Discuss mailing list > Discuss at lists.flossmanuals.net > http://lists.flossmanuals.net/listinfo.cgi/discuss-flossmanuals.net > > > _______________________________________________ > Discuss mailing list > Discuss at lists.flossmanuals.net > http://lists.flossmanuals.net/listinfo.cgi/discuss-flossmanuals.net -- helen varley jamieson helen at creative-catalyst.com http://www.creative-catalyst.com http://www.upstage.org.nz *We have a situation, Coventry! * 24 November 2016 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Mick ________________________________ From: Discuss on behalf of helen varley jamieson Sent: 29 June 2017 09:35 To: discuss at lists.flossmanuals.net Subject: Re: [FM Discuss] Let's Encrypt on https://flossmanuals.net if "working" means that we don't get an insecure connection notification, then yes it worked for me :) (i have HTTPS Everywhere) would be interested to hear how you did it, mick, as i have a couple of sites where i maybe need this (on the log-in fields) h : ) On 29.06.2017 00:03, Martin Kean wrote: Awesome work Mick! But when I went to http://en.flossmanuals.net/ they didnt work, and defaulted to unsecure http. also when I tried en.flossmanuals.net. However when I added https it worked. Same thing with flossmanuals.net. I think you need some kind for 'force https', whether that's a server tool or a rewrite in .htaccess Cheers, martin ________________________________ From: Discuss on behalf of Mick Sent: Thursday, 29 June 2017 9:42:40 a.m. To: discuss at lists.flossmanuals.net Subject: [FM Discuss] Let's Encrypt on https://flossmanuals.net Hi there, I've just set up Let's Encrypt SSL Certs on flossmanuals.net and en.flossmanuals.net. Can anyone verify that they work for them? I'm amazed how easy it was! (and free) This is a great project! Thanks Mick _______________________________________________ Discuss mailing list Discuss at lists.flossmanuals.net http://lists.flossmanuals.net/listinfo.cgi/discuss-flossmanuals.net _______________________________________________ Discuss mailing list Discuss at lists.flossmanuals.net http://lists.flossmanuals.net/listinfo.cgi/discuss-flossmanuals.net -- helen varley jamieson helen at creative-catalyst.com http://www.creative-catalyst.com http://www.upstage.org.nz We have a situation, Coventry! 24 November 2016 "Before acting on this email or opening any attachments you should read the Manchester Metropolitan University email disclaimer available on its website http://www.mmu.ac.uk/emaildisclaimer " -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From M.Chesterman at mmu.ac.uk Thu Jun 29 01:59:00 2017 From: M.Chesterman at mmu.ac.uk (Mick Chesterman) Date: Thu, 29 Jun 2017 08:59:00 +0000 Subject: [FM Discuss] Who's interested in updating "Introduction to the Command Line" In-Reply-To: References: , Message-ID: <1498723139786.76967@mmu.ac.uk> It's here. http://write.flossmanuals.net/command-line/introduction/ ________________________________________ From: Discuss on behalf of Gregory Pittman Sent: 29 June 2017 00:20 To: discuss at lists.flossmanuals.net Subject: Re: [FM Discuss] Who's interested in updating "Introduction to the Command Line" On 06/27/2017 08:47 PM, Andy Oram wrote: > I mentioned this book recently on this list. I think the easiest way to > move forward would be to put together a list of people with positive > feelings to this book, who would like to provide input to our plans to > bring it into the 2010s. Could you respond to me personally if you'd > like to work on the concept behind the book and the outline? > > The book has been highly respected, I think, and an update will make us > all look good. > > The Free Software Foundation sponsored the creation of the original book > and is very interested in having it updated. So I will be working with > both FLOSS Manuals and the FSF to get it updated. > > How do I find the original? I might contribute if I think I have anything to add. There is a lot of documentation out there about the command line, but most of it tends to be shallow, and simultaneously not showing much breadth. Greg _______________________________________________ Discuss mailing list Discuss at lists.flossmanuals.net http://lists.flossmanuals.net/listinfo.cgi/discuss-flossmanuals.net "Before acting on this email or opening any attachments you should read the Manchester Metropolitan University email disclaimer available on its website http://www.mmu.ac.uk/emaildisclaimer " From helen at creative-catalyst.com Thu Jun 29 03:10:13 2017 From: helen at creative-catalyst.com (helen varley jamieson) Date: Thu, 29 Jun 2017 12:10:13 +0200 Subject: [FM Discuss] Let's Encrypt on https://flossmanuals.net In-Reply-To: <1498722381618.23637@mmu.ac.uk> References: <1498686047030.23267@mmu.ac.uk> <7b009d1e-fb64-57c8-1ab5-70fb21161721@creative-catalyst.com> <1498722381618.23637@mmu.ac.uk> Message-ID: <350bae5c-ee58-2ef5-f854-4c60e0c9cfb6@creative-catalyst.com> great, thanks. i'll have a look at it when i have some time :) On 29.06.2017 10:46, Mick Chesterman wrote: > > Hi Helen, > > > I just followed this method, with root access on the server and an > apache set up it was pretty easy. > > https://certbot.eff.org/? > > > Mick > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > *From:* Discuss on behalf of > helen varley jamieson > *Sent:* 29 June 2017 09:35 > *To:* discuss at lists.flossmanuals.net > *Subject:* Re: [FM Discuss] Let's Encrypt on https://flossmanuals.net > > > if "working" means that we don't get an insecure connection > notification, then yes it worked for me :) (i have HTTPS Everywhere) > > > would be interested to hear how you did it, mick, as i have a couple > of sites where i maybe need this (on the log-in fields) > > > h : ) > > > On 29.06.2017 00:03, Martin Kean wrote: >> >> Awesome work Mick! >> >> >> But when I went to http://en.flossmanuals.net/ they didnt work, and >> defaulted to unsecure http. >> >> also when I tried en.flossmanuals.net. However when I added https it >> worked. >> >> Same thing with flossmanuals.net. >> >> >> I think you need some kind for 'force https', whether that's a server >> tool or a rewrite in .htaccess >> >> >> Cheers, martin >> >> >> >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> *From:* Discuss on behalf of >> Mick >> *Sent:* Thursday, 29 June 2017 9:42:40 a.m. >> *To:* discuss at lists.flossmanuals.net >> *Subject:* [FM Discuss] Let's Encrypt on https://flossmanuals.net >> >> Hi there, >> >> I've just set up Let's Encrypt SSL Certs on flossmanuals.net and >> en.flossmanuals.net. >> >> Can anyone verify that they work for them? >> >> I'm amazed how easy it was! (and free) This is a great project! >> >> Thanks >> Mick >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Discuss mailing list >> Discuss at lists.flossmanuals.net >> http://lists.flossmanuals.net/listinfo.cgi/discuss-flossmanuals.net >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Discuss mailing list >> Discuss at lists.flossmanuals.net >> http://lists.flossmanuals.net/listinfo.cgi/discuss-flossmanuals.net > > -- > helen varley jamieson > helen at creative-catalyst.com > http://www.creative-catalyst.com > http://www.upstage.org.nz > > *We have a situation, Coventry! * > 24 November 2016 > > "Before acting on this email or opening any attachments you should > read the Manchester Metropolitan University email disclaimer available > on its website http://www.mmu.ac.uk/emaildisclaimer " > > > _______________________________________________ > Discuss mailing list > Discuss at lists.flossmanuals.net > http://lists.flossmanuals.net/listinfo.cgi/discuss-flossmanuals.net -- helen varley jamieson helen at creative-catalyst.com http://www.creative-catalyst.com http://www.upstage.org.nz *We have a situation, Coventry! * 24 November 2016 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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