From M.Chesterman at mmu.ac.uk Thu Nov 25 01:25:03 2021 From: M.Chesterman at mmu.ac.uk (Mick Chesterman) Date: Thu, 25 Nov 2021 09:25:03 +0000 Subject: [FM Discuss] FLOSS manuals archive sites - and a volunteer request Message-ID: <3953aa8bd6ea4c93b5ac0891f64186da@BFEX02.ad.mmu.ac.uk> Hi there, I've been working with Alexandre Porres from the pure data community to correct older versions of our pure data manual and the current one. This has highlighted that archived resources could do more to point to more current versions and ideally remove completely redundant versions of manuals. This reflects the current focus of the FLOSS Manuals project to maintain existing manuals as archived work - and to update documentation for existing project where appropriate - and signpost to other relevant materials and resources in line with FLOSS Manuals ethos. So, I've finally pulled the plug on write.flossmanuals.net - although the site is still available here http://floss.booktype.pro/ - I'll ask for that to be taken down at the end of the year - so if there is still anything useful there that isn't part of http://archive.flossmanuals.net then please do go grab it. write.flossmanuals.net - now forwards to archive.flossmanuals.net Volunteer/s Request Would anyone be up for taking on a project to include a header banner for the archive site that signposts reader to more updated manuals when they exist? The archive site is in flat html. So some kind of script to inject header material would be needed. And some design work to create a nice looking header. Here's a link to the current archive site on gitlab https://gitlab.com/flossmanuals/archive.flossmanuals.net and here's a link to an early version of flossmanuals.net capture by archive.org - it has a header at the top of the page saying wayback machine - it's this kind of injected header that I'm talking about. https://web.archive.org/web/20060721074055/http://www.flossmanuals.net/ Hope you are all doing well. If you are ever in the north of England come visit me at a new Making / Repairing space that I'm doing in a town called Todmorden - https://todmordenmakery.org.uk/ Nice one Mick "Before acting on this email or opening any attachments you should read the Manchester Metropolitan University email disclaimer available on its website http://www.mmu.ac.uk/emaildisclaimer " -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From helen at creative-catalyst.com Thu Nov 25 06:48:16 2021 From: helen at creative-catalyst.com (Helen Varley Jamieson) Date: Thu, 25 Nov 2021 15:48:16 +0100 Subject: [FM Discuss] FLOSS manuals archive sites - and a volunteer request In-Reply-To: <3953aa8bd6ea4c93b5ac0891f64186da@BFEX02.ad.mmu.ac.uk> References: <3953aa8bd6ea4c93b5ac0891f64186da@BFEX02.ad.mmu.ac.uk> Message-ID: hi mick, great that you are getting onto this & nice to see the wayback snap of the infant FM :) can you move the UpStage v3 manual to the archive site? we are now using the new UpStage & have nearly finished its manual - we're doing it on french FM (https://fr.flossmanuals.net/upstage-v4-english/_draft/_v/1.0/introduction/) as this was easiest for elisa to set up, & we've all benefited from learning french terms like enregister & telecharger :) h : ) On 25.11.21 10:25, Mick Chesterman wrote: > > Hi there, > > ? > > I?ve been working with Alexandre Porres from the pure data community > to correct older versions of our pure data manual and the current one. > > This has highlighted that archived resources could do more to point to > more current versions and ideally remove completely redundant versions > of manuals. > > ? > > This reflects the current focus of the FLOSS Manuals project to > maintain existing manuals as archived work ? and to update > documentation for existing project where appropriate ? and signpost to > other relevant materials and resources in line with FLOSS Manuals ethos. > > ? > > So, I?ve finally pulled the plug on write.flossmanuals.net ? although > the site is still available here > > http://floss.booktype.pro/ - > > I?ll ask for that to be taken down at the end of the year ? so if > there is still anything useful there that isn?t part of > http://archive.flossmanuals.net then > please do go grab it. > > write.flossmanuals.net ? now forwards to archive.flossmanuals.net > > ? > > *Volunteer/s Request* > > Would anyone be up for taking on a project to include a header banner > for the archive site that signposts reader to more updated manuals > when they exist? > > The archive site is in flat html. So some kind of script to inject > header material would be needed. And some design work to create a nice > looking header. > > ? > > Here?s a link to the current archive site on gitlab > > https://gitlab.com/flossmanuals/archive.flossmanuals.net > > > ? > > and here?s a link to an early version of flossmanuals.net capture by > archive.org ? it has a header at the top of the page saying wayback > machine ? it?s this kind of injected header that I?m talking about. > > https://web.archive.org/web/20060721074055/http://www.flossmanuals.net/ > > > ? > > Hope you are all doing well. > > If you are ever in the north of England come visit me at a new Making > / Repairing space that I?m doing in a town called Todmorden - > https://todmordenmakery.org.uk/ > > ? > > Nice one > > Mick > > "Before acting on this email or opening any attachments you should > read the Manchester Metropolitan University email disclaimer available > on its website http://www.mmu.ac.uk/emaildisclaimer " > > _______________________________________________ > Discuss mailing list > Discuss at lists.flossmanuals.net > http://lists.flossmanuals.net/listinfo.cgi/discuss-flossmanuals.net - you can unsubscribe here -- helen varley jamieson helen at creative-catalyst.com http://www.creative-catalyst.com http://www.upstage.org.nz https://mobilise-demobilise.eu -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From elisa.dcg at gmail.com Thu Nov 25 07:30:00 2021 From: elisa.dcg at gmail.com (Elisa Godoy de Castro Guerra) Date: Thu, 25 Nov 2021 16:30:00 +0100 Subject: [FM Discuss] FLOSS manuals archive sites - and a volunteer request In-Reply-To: References: <3953aa8bd6ea4c93b5ac0891f64186da@BFEX02.ad.mmu.ac.uk> Message-ID: Helen you are so positive <3 Le jeu. 25 nov. 2021 ? 15:48, Helen Varley Jamieson < helen at creative-catalyst.com> a ?crit : > hi mick, > > great that you are getting onto this & nice to see the wayback snap of the > infant FM :) > > can you move the UpStage v3 manual to the archive site? we are now using > the new UpStage & have nearly finished its manual - we're doing it on > french FM ( > https://fr.flossmanuals.net/upstage-v4-english/_draft/_v/1.0/introduction/) > as this was easiest for elisa to set up, & we've all benefited from > learning french terms like enregister & telecharger :) > > h : ) > On 25.11.21 10:25, Mick Chesterman wrote: > > Hi there, > > > > I?ve been working with Alexandre Porres from the pure data community to > correct older versions of our pure data manual and the current one. > > This has highlighted that archived resources could do more to point to > more current versions and ideally remove completely redundant versions of > manuals. > > > > This reflects the current focus of the FLOSS Manuals project to maintain > existing manuals as archived work ? and to update documentation for > existing project where appropriate ? and signpost to other relevant > materials and resources in line with FLOSS Manuals ethos. > > > > So, I?ve finally pulled the plug on write.flossmanuals.net ? although the > site is still available here > > http://floss.booktype.pro/ - > > I?ll ask for that to be taken down at the end of the year ? so if there is > still anything useful there that isn?t part of > http://archive.flossmanuals.net then please do go grab it. > > write.flossmanuals.net ? now forwards to archive.flossmanuals.net > > > > *Volunteer/s Request* > > Would anyone be up for taking on a project to include a header banner for > the archive site that signposts reader to more updated manuals when they > exist? > > The archive site is in flat html. So some kind of script to inject header > material would be needed. And some design work to create a nice looking > header. > > > > Here?s a link to the current archive site on gitlab > > https://gitlab.com/flossmanuals/archive.flossmanuals.net > > > > and here?s a link to an early version of flossmanuals.net capture by > archive.org ? it has a header at the top of the page saying wayback > machine ? it?s this kind of injected header that I?m talking about. > > https://web.archive.org/web/20060721074055/http://www.flossmanuals.net/ > > > > > Hope you are all doing well. > > If you are ever in the north of England come visit me at a new Making / > Repairing space that I?m doing in a town called Todmorden - > https://todmordenmakery.org.uk/ > > > > Nice one > > Mick > "Before acting on this email or opening any attachments you should read > the Manchester Metropolitan University email disclaimer available on its > website http://www.mmu.ac.uk/emaildisclaimer " > > _______________________________________________ > Discuss mailing listDiscuss at lists.flossmanuals.nethttp://lists.flossmanuals.net/listinfo.cgi/discuss-flossmanuals.net - you can unsubscribe here > > -- > > helen varley jamieson > > helen at creative-catalyst.com > http://www.creative-catalyst.com > http://www.upstage.org.nz > https://mobilise-demobilise.eu > _______________________________________________ > Discuss mailing list > Discuss at lists.flossmanuals.net > http://lists.flossmanuals.net/listinfo.cgi/discuss-flossmanuals.net - you > can unsubscribe here > -- -- Elisa de Castro Guerra ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From helen at creative-catalyst.com Thu Nov 25 07:50:14 2021 From: helen at creative-catalyst.com (Helen Varley Jamieson) Date: Thu, 25 Nov 2021 16:50:14 +0100 Subject: [FM Discuss] FLOSS manuals archive sites - and a volunteer request In-Reply-To: References: <3953aa8bd6ea4c93b5ac0891f64186da@BFEX02.ad.mmu.ac.uk> Message-ID: <9eef1fb5-6c14-168d-32b2-110c7172fa28@creative-catalyst.com> actually i'm negative - i have a test from yesterday to prove it ? On 25.11.21 16:30, Elisa Godoy de Castro Guerra wrote: > Helen you are so positive <3 > > Le?jeu. 25 nov. 2021 ??15:48, Helen Varley Jamieson > > a > ?crit?: > > hi mick, > > great that you are getting onto this & nice to see the wayback > snap of the infant FM :) > > can you move the UpStage v3 manual to the archive site? we are now > using the new UpStage & have nearly finished its manual - we're > doing it on french FM > (https://fr.flossmanuals.net/upstage-v4-english/_draft/_v/1.0/introduction/ > ) > as this was easiest for elisa to set up, & we've all benefited > from learning french terms like enregister & telecharger :) > > h : ) > > On 25.11.21 10:25, Mick Chesterman wrote: >> >> Hi there, >> >> ? >> >> I?ve been working with Alexandre Porres from the pure data >> community to correct older versions of our pure data manual and >> the current one. >> >> This has highlighted that archived resources could do more to >> point to more current versions and ideally remove completely >> redundant versions of manuals. >> >> ? >> >> This reflects the current focus of the FLOSS Manuals project to >> maintain existing manuals as archived work ? and to update >> documentation for existing project where appropriate ? and >> signpost to other relevant materials and resources in line with >> FLOSS Manuals ethos. >> >> ? >> >> So, I?ve finally pulled the plug on write.flossmanuals.net >> ? although the site is still >> available here >> >> http://floss.booktype.pro/ - >> >> I?ll ask for that to be taken down at the end of the year ? so if >> there is still anything useful there that isn?t part of >> http://archive.flossmanuals.net >> then please do go grab it. >> >> write.flossmanuals.net ? now >> forwards to archive.flossmanuals.net >> >> >> ? >> >> *Volunteer/s Request* >> >> Would anyone be up for taking on a project to include a header >> banner for the archive site that signposts reader to more updated >> manuals when they exist? >> >> The archive site is in flat html. So some kind of script to >> inject header material would be needed. And some design work to >> create a nice looking header. >> >> ? >> >> Here?s a link to the current archive site on gitlab >> >> https://gitlab.com/flossmanuals/archive.flossmanuals.net >> >> >> ? >> >> and here?s a link to an early version of flossmanuals.net >> capture by archive.org >> ? it has a header at the top of the page >> saying wayback machine ? it?s this kind of injected header that >> I?m talking about. >> >> https://web.archive.org/web/20060721074055/http://www.flossmanuals.net/ >> >> >> ? >> >> Hope you are all doing well. >> >> If you are ever in the north of England come visit me at a new >> Making / Repairing space that I?m doing in a town called >> Todmorden - https://todmordenmakery.org.uk/ >> >> >> ? >> >> Nice one >> >> Mick >> >> "Before acting on this email or opening any attachments you >> should read the Manchester Metropolitan University email >> disclaimer available on its website >> http://www.mmu.ac.uk/emaildisclaimer >> " >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Discuss mailing list >> Discuss at lists.flossmanuals.net >> http://lists.flossmanuals.net/listinfo.cgi/discuss-flossmanuals.net - you can unsubscribe here > -- > > helen varley jamieson > > helen at creative-catalyst.com > http://www.creative-catalyst.com > http://www.upstage.org.nz > https://mobilise-demobilise.eu > > _______________________________________________ > Discuss mailing list > Discuss at lists.flossmanuals.net > http://lists.flossmanuals.net/listinfo.cgi/discuss-flossmanuals.net > > - you can unsubscribe here > > > > -- > -- > Elisa de Castro Guerra > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > > > _______________________________________________ > Discuss mailing list > Discuss at lists.flossmanuals.net > http://lists.flossmanuals.net/listinfo.cgi/discuss-flossmanuals.net - you can unsubscribe here -- helen varley jamieson helen at creative-catalyst.com http://www.creative-catalyst.com http://www.upstage.org.nz https://mobilise-demobilise.eu -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From Martin.Kean at op.ac.nz Thu Nov 25 16:39:33 2021 From: Martin.Kean at op.ac.nz (Martin Kean) Date: Fri, 26 Nov 2021 00:39:33 +0000 Subject: [FM Discuss] FLOSS manuals archive sites - and a volunteer request In-Reply-To: <9eef1fb5-6c14-168d-32b2-110c7172fa28@creative-catalyst.com> References: <3953aa8bd6ea4c93b5ac0891f64186da@BFEX02.ad.mmu.ac.uk> <9eef1fb5-6c14-168d-32b2-110c7172fa28@creative-catalyst.com> Message-ID: Great news! I do try to be negative : ) ________________________________ From: Discuss on behalf of Helen Varley Jamieson Sent: Friday, 26 November 2021 4:50 am To: FLOSS Manuals Subject: Re: [FM Discuss] FLOSS manuals archive sites - and a volunteer request EXTERNAL EMAIL WARNING actually i'm negative - i have a test from yesterday to prove it ? On 25.11.21 16:30, Elisa Godoy de Castro Guerra wrote: Helen you are so positive <3 Le jeu. 25 nov. 2021 ? 15:48, Helen Varley Jamieson > a ?crit : hi mick, great that you are getting onto this & nice to see the wayback snap of the infant FM :) can you move the UpStage v3 manual to the archive site? we are now using the new UpStage & have nearly finished its manual - we're doing it on french FM (https://fr.flossmanuals.net/upstage-v4-english/_draft/_v/1.0/introduction/) as this was easiest for elisa to set up, & we've all benefited from learning french terms like enregister & telecharger :) h : ) On 25.11.21 10:25, Mick Chesterman wrote: Hi there, I?ve been working with Alexandre Porres from the pure data community to correct older versions of our pure data manual and the current one. This has highlighted that archived resources could do more to point to more current versions and ideally remove completely redundant versions of manuals. This reflects the current focus of the FLOSS Manuals project to maintain existing manuals as archived work ? and to update documentation for existing project where appropriate ? and signpost to other relevant materials and resources in line with FLOSS Manuals ethos. So, I?ve finally pulled the plug on write.flossmanuals.net ? although the site is still available here http://floss.booktype.pro/ - I?ll ask for that to be taken down at the end of the year ? so if there is still anything useful there that isn?t part of http://archive.flossmanuals.net then please do go grab it. write.flossmanuals.net ? now forwards to archive.flossmanuals.net Volunteer/s Request Would anyone be up for taking on a project to include a header banner for the archive site that signposts reader to more updated manuals when they exist? The archive site is in flat html. So some kind of script to inject header material would be needed. And some design work to create a nice looking header. Here?s a link to the current archive site on gitlab https://gitlab.com/flossmanuals/archive.flossmanuals.net and here?s a link to an early version of flossmanuals.net capture by archive.org ? it has a header at the top of the page saying wayback machine ? it?s this kind of injected header that I?m talking about. https://web.archive.org/web/20060721074055/http://www.flossmanuals.net/ Hope you are all doing well. If you are ever in the north of England come visit me at a new Making / Repairing space that I?m doing in a town called Todmorden - https://todmordenmakery.org.uk/ Nice one Mick "Before acting on this email or opening any attachments you should read the Manchester Metropolitan University email disclaimer available on its website http://www.mmu.ac.uk/emaildisclaimer " _______________________________________________ Discuss mailing list Discuss at lists.flossmanuals.net http://lists.flossmanuals.net/listinfo.cgi/discuss-flossmanuals.net - you can unsubscribe here -- helen varley jamieson helen at creative-catalyst.com http://www.creative-catalyst.com http://www.upstage.org.nz https://mobilise-demobilise.eu _______________________________________________ Discuss mailing list Discuss at lists.flossmanuals.net http://lists.flossmanuals.net/listinfo.cgi/discuss-flossmanuals.net - you can unsubscribe here -- -- Elisa de Castro Guerra ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ _______________________________________________ Discuss mailing list Discuss at lists.flossmanuals.net http://lists.flossmanuals.net/listinfo.cgi/discuss-flossmanuals.net - you can unsubscribe here -- helen varley jamieson helen at creative-catalyst.com http://www.creative-catalyst.com http://www.upstage.org.nz https://mobilise-demobilise.eu -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From porres at gmail.com Sun Nov 28 08:18:36 2021 From: porres at gmail.com (Alexandre Torres Porres) Date: Sun, 28 Nov 2021 13:18:36 -0300 Subject: [FM Discuss] FLOSS manuals archive sites - and a volunteer request In-Reply-To: <3953aa8bd6ea4c93b5ac0891f64186da@BFEX02.ad.mmu.ac.uk> References: <3953aa8bd6ea4c93b5ac0891f64186da@BFEX02.ad.mmu.ac.uk> Message-ID: Em qui., 25 de nov. de 2021 ?s 06:25, Mick Chesterman < M.Chesterman at mmu.ac.uk> escreveu: > Hi there, > > > > I?ve been working with Alexandre Porres from the pure data community to > correct older versions of our pure data manual and the current one. > Hi folks, that's me! We have been updating the "current" document here => https://en.flossmanuals.net/pd-extended/_full/ One thing that was confusing is that this was referred to as a "Pure Data" manual, but was in fact a "Pd-extended" manual. We changed the title and I'm editing the first introduction page. What needs to be updated there is the fact that Pd-extended is long gone and abandoned, and it doesn't run in newer versions of macOS, for instance. Warnings have been made that the book is being kept as a historical document, and that it can still be useful if you adapt the examples to the current version of the official and main distribution of Pure Data (aka Pd Vanilla) and install the externals used on the book. By the way, there are currently no plans whatsoever to start a new and updated manual on FLOSS Manuals, or elsewhere. Anything like that is pretty unlikely to happen. Our efforts are just in improving the official manual that comes with Pd Vanilla (now currently referred to in the edits I made to the "current" FLOSS manual). ------ Now, we also have this archived version of the same book. And I just don't understand why it exists. It was actually the exact same book, with the same contents as the "new one". We now have minor edits to explain the current scenario and avoid confusions, but keeping the archived version still adds noise and confusion. As for possible solutions, we can make the same changes back into the archived one. But why keep both identical books around? One archived, and another not? It just makes sense to me to delete the old archived one and just keep this new one around, which also the same document. What do you people think? Thanks a lot for your work keeping up FLOSS Manuals. Cheers -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From helen at creative-catalyst.com Mon Nov 29 02:31:11 2021 From: helen at creative-catalyst.com (Helen Varley Jamieson) Date: Mon, 29 Nov 2021 11:31:11 +0100 Subject: [FM Discuss] FLOSS manuals archive sites - and a volunteer request In-Reply-To: References: <3953aa8bd6ea4c93b5ac0891f64186da@BFEX02.ad.mmu.ac.uk> Message-ID: i would say delete all duplicate copies, it just makes it confusing :) On 28.11.21 17:18, Alexandre Torres Porres wrote: > Em qui., 25 de nov. de 2021 ?s 06:25, Mick Chesterman > > escreveu: > > Hi there, > > ? > > I?ve been working with Alexandre Porres from the pure data > community to correct older versions of our pure data manual and > the current one. > > > Hi folks, that's me! > > We have been updating the "current" document here > =>?https://en.flossmanuals.net/pd-extended/_full/ > > > One thing that was confusing is that this was referred to as a "Pure > Data" manual, but was in fact a "Pd-extended" manual. We changed the > title and I'm editing the first introduction page. What needs to be > updated there is the fact that Pd-extended is long gone and abandoned, > and it doesn't run in newer versions of macOS, for instance. Warnings > have been made that the book is being kept as a historical document, > and that it can still be useful if you adapt the examples to the > current?version of the official and main distribution of Pure Data > (aka Pd Vanilla) and install the externals used on the book. > > By the way, there are currently no plans whatsoever to start a new and > updated manual on FLOSS Manuals, or elsewhere. Anything like that is > pretty unlikely to happen. Our efforts are just in improving the > official manual that comes with Pd Vanilla (now currently referred to > in the edits I made to the "current" FLOSS manual).? ? > > ------ > > Now, we also have this archived version of the same book. And I just > don't understand why it exists. It was actually the exact same book, > with the same contents as the "new one". We now have minor edits to > explain the current scenario and avoid confusions, but keeping the > archived version still adds noise and confusion. > > As for possible solutions, we can make the same changes back into the > archived one. But why keep both identical books around? One archived, > and another not? > > It just makes sense to me to delete the old archived one and just keep > this new one around, which also the same document. > > What do you people think? > > Thanks a lot for your work keeping up FLOSS Manuals. > > Cheers > > _______________________________________________ > Discuss mailing list > Discuss at lists.flossmanuals.net > http://lists.flossmanuals.net/listinfo.cgi/discuss-flossmanuals.net - you can unsubscribe here -- helen varley jamieson helen at creative-catalyst.com http://www.creative-catalyst.com http://www.upstage.org.nz https://mobilise-demobilise.eu -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From mick at flossmanuals.net Mon Nov 29 08:18:47 2021 From: mick at flossmanuals.net (Mick Fuzz) Date: Mon, 29 Nov 2021 16:18:47 +0000 Subject: [FM Discuss] FLOSS manuals archive sites - and a volunteer request In-Reply-To: References: <3953aa8bd6ea4c93b5ac0891f64186da@BFEX02.ad.mmu.ac.uk> Message-ID: <03d8fd07-f602-b484-f765-06b141334ccc@flossmanuals.net> Hi there, The archive site at archive.flossmanuals.net - is a snap shot of flossmanuals about 7 or 8 years ago or so. So it's not straightforward to delete things from it. And well the idea isn't really to keep that archive up to date as it's an archive :) I don't think it's a good idea to subtract from an archive. But yes better signposting that it is an archive and where to find up to date things would be really useful. I'm keen to work on that. And for the other pure data manual - https://en.flossmanuals.net/pd-extended/_full/ It sounds like it's not up to date - but is update-able at least. Someone did do some work last year to recreate some of the code examples. It's there in case anyone does want to take it on. nice one Mick On 29/11/2021 10:31, Helen Varley Jamieson wrote: > > i would say delete all duplicate copies, it just makes it confusing :) > > On 28.11.21 17:18, Alexandre Torres Porres wrote: >> Em qui., 25 de nov. de 2021 ?s 06:25, Mick Chesterman >> > escreveu: >> >> Hi there, >> >> ? >> >> I?ve been working with Alexandre Porres from the pure data >> community to correct older versions of our pure data manual and >> the current one. >> >> >> Hi folks, that's me! >> >> We have been updating the "current" document here >> =>?https://en.flossmanuals.net/pd-extended/_full/ >> >> >> One thing that was confusing is that this was referred to as a "Pure >> Data" manual, but was in fact a "Pd-extended" manual. We changed the >> title and I'm editing the first introduction page. What needs to be >> updated there is the fact that Pd-extended is long gone and >> abandoned, and it doesn't run in newer versions of macOS, for >> instance. Warnings have been made that the book is being kept as a >> historical document, and that it can still be useful if you adapt the >> examples to the current?version of the official and main distribution >> of Pure Data (aka Pd Vanilla) and install the externals used on the book. >> >> By the way, there are currently no plans whatsoever to start a new >> and updated manual on FLOSS Manuals, or elsewhere. Anything like that >> is pretty unlikely to happen. Our efforts are just in improving the >> official manual that comes with Pd Vanilla (now currently referred to >> in the edits I made to the "current" FLOSS manual).? ? >> >> ------ >> >> Now, we also have this archived version of the same book. And I just >> don't understand why it exists. It was actually the exact same book, >> with the same contents as the "new one". We now have minor edits to >> explain the current scenario and avoid confusions, but keeping the >> archived version still adds noise and confusion. >> >> As for possible solutions, we can make the same changes back into the >> archived one. But why keep both identical books around? One archived, >> and another not? >> >> It just makes sense to me to delete the old archived one and just >> keep this new one around, which also the same document. >> >> What do you people think? >> >> Thanks a lot for your work keeping up FLOSS Manuals. >> >> Cheers >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Discuss mailing list >> Discuss at lists.flossmanuals.net >> http://lists.flossmanuals.net/listinfo.cgi/discuss-flossmanuals.net - you can unsubscribe here > -- > > helen varley jamieson > > helen at creative-catalyst.com > http://www.creative-catalyst.com > http://www.upstage.org.nz > https://mobilise-demobilise.eu > > > _______________________________________________ > Discuss mailing list > Discuss at lists.flossmanuals.net > http://lists.flossmanuals.net/listinfo.cgi/discuss-flossmanuals.net - you can unsubscribe here -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From helen at creative-catalyst.com Mon Nov 29 09:03:45 2021 From: helen at creative-catalyst.com (Helen Varley Jamieson) Date: Mon, 29 Nov 2021 18:03:45 +0100 Subject: [FM Discuss] FLOSS manuals archive sites - and a volunteer request In-Reply-To: <03d8fd07-f602-b484-f765-06b141334ccc@flossmanuals.net> References: <3953aa8bd6ea4c93b5ac0891f64186da@BFEX02.ad.mmu.ac.uk> <03d8fd07-f602-b484-f765-06b141334ccc@flossmanuals.net> Message-ID: ok then it sounds like a banner that automatically appears along the top signalling that it's an archive is the best solution. would it appear on all pages, all the time when you're in the archive? (in case a search brings you to an internal page, for example). h : ) On 29.11.21 17:18, Mick Fuzz wrote: > > Hi there, > > The archive site at archive.flossmanuals.net - is a snap shot of > flossmanuals about 7 or 8 years ago or so. > > So it's not straightforward to delete things from it. And well the > idea isn't really to keep that archive up to date as it's an archive > :) I don't think it's a good idea to subtract from an archive. But yes > better signposting that it is an archive and where to find up to date > things would be really useful. I'm keen to work on that. > > And for the other pure data manual - > https://en.flossmanuals.net/pd-extended/_full/ > > It sounds like it's not up to date - but is update-able at least. > Someone did do some work last year to recreate some of the code > examples. It's there in case anyone does want to take it on. > > nice one > Mick > > On 29/11/2021 10:31, Helen Varley Jamieson wrote: >> >> i would say delete all duplicate copies, it just makes it confusing :) >> >> On 28.11.21 17:18, Alexandre Torres Porres wrote: >>> Em qui., 25 de nov. de 2021 ?s 06:25, Mick Chesterman >>> > escreveu: >>> >>> Hi there, >>> >>> ? >>> >>> I?ve been working with Alexandre Porres from the pure data >>> community to correct older versions of our pure data manual and >>> the current one. >>> >>> >>> Hi folks, that's me! >>> >>> We have been updating the "current" document here >>> =>?https://en.flossmanuals.net/pd-extended/_full/ >>> >>> >>> One thing that was confusing is that this was referred to as a "Pure >>> Data" manual, but was in fact a "Pd-extended" manual. We changed the >>> title and I'm editing the first introduction page. What needs to be >>> updated there is the fact that Pd-extended is long gone and >>> abandoned, and it doesn't run in newer versions of macOS, for >>> instance. Warnings have been made that the book is being kept as a >>> historical document, and that it can still be useful if you adapt >>> the examples to the current?version of the official and main >>> distribution of Pure Data (aka Pd Vanilla) and install the externals >>> used on the book. >>> >>> By the way, there are currently no plans whatsoever to start a new >>> and updated manual on FLOSS Manuals, or elsewhere. Anything like >>> that is pretty unlikely to happen. Our efforts are just in improving >>> the official manual that comes with Pd Vanilla (now currently >>> referred to in the edits I made to the "current" FLOSS manual).? ? >>> >>> ------ >>> >>> Now, we also have this archived version of the same book. And I just >>> don't understand why it exists. It was actually the exact same book, >>> with the same contents as the "new one". We now have minor edits to >>> explain the current scenario and avoid confusions, but keeping the >>> archived version still adds noise and confusion. >>> >>> As for possible solutions, we can make the same changes back into >>> the archived one. But why keep both identical books around? One >>> archived, and another not? >>> >>> It just makes sense to me to delete the old archived one and just >>> keep this new one around, which also the same document. >>> >>> What do you people think? >>> >>> Thanks a lot for your work keeping up FLOSS Manuals. >>> >>> Cheers >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Discuss mailing list >>> Discuss at lists.flossmanuals.net >>> http://lists.flossmanuals.net/listinfo.cgi/discuss-flossmanuals.net - you can unsubscribe here >> -- >> >> helen varley jamieson >> >> helen at creative-catalyst.com >> http://www.creative-catalyst.com >> http://www.upstage.org.nz >> https://mobilise-demobilise.eu >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Discuss mailing list >> Discuss at lists.flossmanuals.net >> http://lists.flossmanuals.net/listinfo.cgi/discuss-flossmanuals.net - you can unsubscribe here > > _______________________________________________ > Discuss mailing list > Discuss at lists.flossmanuals.net > http://lists.flossmanuals.net/listinfo.cgi/discuss-flossmanuals.net - you can unsubscribe here -- helen varley jamieson helen at creative-catalyst.com http://www.creative-catalyst.com http://www.upstage.org.nz https://mobilise-demobilise.eu -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From M.Chesterman at mmu.ac.uk Tue Nov 30 02:14:19 2021 From: M.Chesterman at mmu.ac.uk (Mick Chesterman) Date: Tue, 30 Nov 2021 10:14:19 +0000 Subject: [FM Discuss] FLOSS manuals archive sites - and a volunteer request In-Reply-To: References: <3953aa8bd6ea4c93b5ac0891f64186da@BFEX02.ad.mmu.ac.uk> <03d8fd07-f602-b484-f765-06b141334ccc@flossmanuals.net> Message-ID: HI there, I?ve started a quick requirements text here in a collaborative pad https://pad.riseup.net/p/fm_archive_header-keep thanks Mick # TODO This project is to include a header in archive.flossmanuals.net The project has two parts. ## First the Design First a header design needs to be created. We can adapt the one on this page from archive.org. To start with we can use a generic one for the whole site. But more specific ones per manual can also be used. For example to highlight the current work and project of pure-data. ## Second the Script A script to go through all html pages and insert the header in the flat files is needed. Here's the wish list. * The header should appear on all html files in the archive - (not just front pages) * It should be able to run on a servers and desktops idealy running debian / ubuntu * It should be reversable or at least be able to be updated easily * It should have options to select subdirectories - or to be run in subdirectories - so that individual manuals can be altered with specific headers for more detailed signposting. ## Next! You can join the FM mailing list to discuss this project. https://www.flossmanuals.org/get-involved-0 "Before acting on this email or opening any attachments you should read the Manchester Metropolitan University email disclaimer available on its website http://www.mmu.ac.uk/emaildisclaimer " -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: