From M.Chesterman at mmu.ac.uk Thu Nov 25 01:25:03 2021
From: M.Chesterman at mmu.ac.uk (Mick Chesterman)
Date: Thu, 25 Nov 2021 09:25:03 +0000
Subject: [FM Discuss] FLOSS manuals archive sites - and a volunteer request
Message-ID: <3953aa8bd6ea4c93b5ac0891f64186da@BFEX02.ad.mmu.ac.uk>
Hi there,
I've been working with Alexandre Porres from the pure data community to correct older versions of our pure data manual and the current one.
This has highlighted that archived resources could do more to point to more current versions and ideally remove completely redundant versions of manuals.
This reflects the current focus of the FLOSS Manuals project to maintain existing manuals as archived work - and to update documentation for existing project where appropriate - and signpost to other relevant materials and resources in line with FLOSS Manuals ethos.
So, I've finally pulled the plug on write.flossmanuals.net - although the site is still available here
http://floss.booktype.pro/ -
I'll ask for that to be taken down at the end of the year - so if there is still anything useful there that isn't part of http://archive.flossmanuals.net then please do go grab it.
write.flossmanuals.net - now forwards to archive.flossmanuals.net
Volunteer/s Request
Would anyone be up for taking on a project to include a header banner for the archive site that signposts reader to more updated manuals when they exist?
The archive site is in flat html. So some kind of script to inject header material would be needed. And some design work to create a nice looking header.
Here's a link to the current archive site on gitlab
https://gitlab.com/flossmanuals/archive.flossmanuals.net
and here's a link to an early version of flossmanuals.net capture by archive.org - it has a header at the top of the page saying wayback machine - it's this kind of injected header that I'm talking about.
https://web.archive.org/web/20060721074055/http://www.flossmanuals.net/
Hope you are all doing well.
If you are ever in the north of England come visit me at a new Making / Repairing space that I'm doing in a town called Todmorden - https://todmordenmakery.org.uk/
Nice one
Mick
"Before acting on this email or opening any attachments you should read the Manchester Metropolitan University email disclaimer available on its website http://www.mmu.ac.uk/emaildisclaimer "
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From helen at creative-catalyst.com Thu Nov 25 06:48:16 2021
From: helen at creative-catalyst.com (Helen Varley Jamieson)
Date: Thu, 25 Nov 2021 15:48:16 +0100
Subject: [FM Discuss] FLOSS manuals archive sites - and a volunteer
request
In-Reply-To: <3953aa8bd6ea4c93b5ac0891f64186da@BFEX02.ad.mmu.ac.uk>
References: <3953aa8bd6ea4c93b5ac0891f64186da@BFEX02.ad.mmu.ac.uk>
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hi mick,
great that you are getting onto this & nice to see the wayback snap of
the infant FM :)
can you move the UpStage v3 manual to the archive site? we are now using
the new UpStage & have nearly finished its manual - we're doing it on
french FM
(https://fr.flossmanuals.net/upstage-v4-english/_draft/_v/1.0/introduction/)
as this was easiest for elisa to set up, & we've all benefited from
learning french terms like enregister & telecharger :)
h : )
On 25.11.21 10:25, Mick Chesterman wrote:
>
> Hi there,
>
> ?
>
> I?ve been working with Alexandre Porres from the pure data community
> to correct older versions of our pure data manual and the current one.
>
> This has highlighted that archived resources could do more to point to
> more current versions and ideally remove completely redundant versions
> of manuals.
>
> ?
>
> This reflects the current focus of the FLOSS Manuals project to
> maintain existing manuals as archived work ? and to update
> documentation for existing project where appropriate ? and signpost to
> other relevant materials and resources in line with FLOSS Manuals ethos.
>
> ?
>
> So, I?ve finally pulled the plug on write.flossmanuals.net ? although
> the site is still available here
>
> http://floss.booktype.pro/ -
>
> I?ll ask for that to be taken down at the end of the year ? so if
> there is still anything useful there that isn?t part of
> http://archive.flossmanuals.net then
> please do go grab it.
>
> write.flossmanuals.net ? now forwards to archive.flossmanuals.net
>
> ?
>
> *Volunteer/s Request*
>
> Would anyone be up for taking on a project to include a header banner
> for the archive site that signposts reader to more updated manuals
> when they exist?
>
> The archive site is in flat html. So some kind of script to inject
> header material would be needed. And some design work to create a nice
> looking header.
>
> ?
>
> Here?s a link to the current archive site on gitlab
>
> https://gitlab.com/flossmanuals/archive.flossmanuals.net
>
>
> ?
>
> and here?s a link to an early version of flossmanuals.net capture by
> archive.org ? it has a header at the top of the page saying wayback
> machine ? it?s this kind of injected header that I?m talking about.
>
> https://web.archive.org/web/20060721074055/http://www.flossmanuals.net/
>
>
> ?
>
> Hope you are all doing well.
>
> If you are ever in the north of England come visit me at a new Making
> / Repairing space that I?m doing in a town called Todmorden -
> https://todmordenmakery.org.uk/
>
> ?
>
> Nice one
>
> Mick
>
> "Before acting on this email or opening any attachments you should
> read the Manchester Metropolitan University email disclaimer available
> on its website http://www.mmu.ac.uk/emaildisclaimer "
>
> _______________________________________________
> Discuss mailing list
> Discuss at lists.flossmanuals.net
> http://lists.flossmanuals.net/listinfo.cgi/discuss-flossmanuals.net - you can unsubscribe here
--
helen varley jamieson
helen at creative-catalyst.com
http://www.creative-catalyst.com
http://www.upstage.org.nz
https://mobilise-demobilise.eu
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From elisa.dcg at gmail.com Thu Nov 25 07:30:00 2021
From: elisa.dcg at gmail.com (Elisa Godoy de Castro Guerra)
Date: Thu, 25 Nov 2021 16:30:00 +0100
Subject: [FM Discuss] FLOSS manuals archive sites - and a volunteer
request
In-Reply-To:
References: <3953aa8bd6ea4c93b5ac0891f64186da@BFEX02.ad.mmu.ac.uk>
Message-ID:
Helen you are so positive <3
Le jeu. 25 nov. 2021 ? 15:48, Helen Varley Jamieson <
helen at creative-catalyst.com> a ?crit :
> hi mick,
>
> great that you are getting onto this & nice to see the wayback snap of the
> infant FM :)
>
> can you move the UpStage v3 manual to the archive site? we are now using
> the new UpStage & have nearly finished its manual - we're doing it on
> french FM (
> https://fr.flossmanuals.net/upstage-v4-english/_draft/_v/1.0/introduction/)
> as this was easiest for elisa to set up, & we've all benefited from
> learning french terms like enregister & telecharger :)
>
> h : )
> On 25.11.21 10:25, Mick Chesterman wrote:
>
> Hi there,
>
>
>
> I?ve been working with Alexandre Porres from the pure data community to
> correct older versions of our pure data manual and the current one.
>
> This has highlighted that archived resources could do more to point to
> more current versions and ideally remove completely redundant versions of
> manuals.
>
>
>
> This reflects the current focus of the FLOSS Manuals project to maintain
> existing manuals as archived work ? and to update documentation for
> existing project where appropriate ? and signpost to other relevant
> materials and resources in line with FLOSS Manuals ethos.
>
>
>
> So, I?ve finally pulled the plug on write.flossmanuals.net ? although the
> site is still available here
>
> http://floss.booktype.pro/ -
>
> I?ll ask for that to be taken down at the end of the year ? so if there is
> still anything useful there that isn?t part of
> http://archive.flossmanuals.net then please do go grab it.
>
> write.flossmanuals.net ? now forwards to archive.flossmanuals.net
>
>
>
> *Volunteer/s Request*
>
> Would anyone be up for taking on a project to include a header banner for
> the archive site that signposts reader to more updated manuals when they
> exist?
>
> The archive site is in flat html. So some kind of script to inject header
> material would be needed. And some design work to create a nice looking
> header.
>
>
>
> Here?s a link to the current archive site on gitlab
>
> https://gitlab.com/flossmanuals/archive.flossmanuals.net
>
>
>
> and here?s a link to an early version of flossmanuals.net capture by
> archive.org ? it has a header at the top of the page saying wayback
> machine ? it?s this kind of injected header that I?m talking about.
>
> https://web.archive.org/web/20060721074055/http://www.flossmanuals.net/
>
>
>
>
> Hope you are all doing well.
>
> If you are ever in the north of England come visit me at a new Making /
> Repairing space that I?m doing in a town called Todmorden -
> https://todmordenmakery.org.uk/
>
>
>
> Nice one
>
> Mick
> "Before acting on this email or opening any attachments you should read
> the Manchester Metropolitan University email disclaimer available on its
> website http://www.mmu.ac.uk/emaildisclaimer "
>
> _______________________________________________
> Discuss mailing listDiscuss at lists.flossmanuals.nethttp://lists.flossmanuals.net/listinfo.cgi/discuss-flossmanuals.net - you can unsubscribe here
>
> --
>
> helen varley jamieson
>
> helen at creative-catalyst.com
> http://www.creative-catalyst.com
> http://www.upstage.org.nz
> https://mobilise-demobilise.eu
> _______________________________________________
> Discuss mailing list
> Discuss at lists.flossmanuals.net
> http://lists.flossmanuals.net/listinfo.cgi/discuss-flossmanuals.net - you
> can unsubscribe here
>
--
--
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From helen at creative-catalyst.com Thu Nov 25 07:50:14 2021
From: helen at creative-catalyst.com (Helen Varley Jamieson)
Date: Thu, 25 Nov 2021 16:50:14 +0100
Subject: [FM Discuss] FLOSS manuals archive sites - and a volunteer
request
In-Reply-To:
References: <3953aa8bd6ea4c93b5ac0891f64186da@BFEX02.ad.mmu.ac.uk>
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actually i'm negative - i have a test from yesterday to prove it ?
On 25.11.21 16:30, Elisa Godoy de Castro Guerra wrote:
> Helen you are so positive <3
>
> Le?jeu. 25 nov. 2021 ??15:48, Helen Varley Jamieson
> > a
> ?crit?:
>
> hi mick,
>
> great that you are getting onto this & nice to see the wayback
> snap of the infant FM :)
>
> can you move the UpStage v3 manual to the archive site? we are now
> using the new UpStage & have nearly finished its manual - we're
> doing it on french FM
> (https://fr.flossmanuals.net/upstage-v4-english/_draft/_v/1.0/introduction/
> )
> as this was easiest for elisa to set up, & we've all benefited
> from learning french terms like enregister & telecharger :)
>
> h : )
>
> On 25.11.21 10:25, Mick Chesterman wrote:
>>
>> Hi there,
>>
>> ?
>>
>> I?ve been working with Alexandre Porres from the pure data
>> community to correct older versions of our pure data manual and
>> the current one.
>>
>> This has highlighted that archived resources could do more to
>> point to more current versions and ideally remove completely
>> redundant versions of manuals.
>>
>> ?
>>
>> This reflects the current focus of the FLOSS Manuals project to
>> maintain existing manuals as archived work ? and to update
>> documentation for existing project where appropriate ? and
>> signpost to other relevant materials and resources in line with
>> FLOSS Manuals ethos.
>>
>> ?
>>
>> So, I?ve finally pulled the plug on write.flossmanuals.net
>> ? although the site is still
>> available here
>>
>> http://floss.booktype.pro/ -
>>
>> I?ll ask for that to be taken down at the end of the year ? so if
>> there is still anything useful there that isn?t part of
>> http://archive.flossmanuals.net
>> then please do go grab it.
>>
>> write.flossmanuals.net ? now
>> forwards to archive.flossmanuals.net
>>
>>
>> ?
>>
>> *Volunteer/s Request*
>>
>> Would anyone be up for taking on a project to include a header
>> banner for the archive site that signposts reader to more updated
>> manuals when they exist?
>>
>> The archive site is in flat html. So some kind of script to
>> inject header material would be needed. And some design work to
>> create a nice looking header.
>>
>> ?
>>
>> Here?s a link to the current archive site on gitlab
>>
>> https://gitlab.com/flossmanuals/archive.flossmanuals.net
>>
>>
>> ?
>>
>> and here?s a link to an early version of flossmanuals.net
>> capture by archive.org
>> ? it has a header at the top of the page
>> saying wayback machine ? it?s this kind of injected header that
>> I?m talking about.
>>
>> https://web.archive.org/web/20060721074055/http://www.flossmanuals.net/
>>
>>
>> ?
>>
>> Hope you are all doing well.
>>
>> If you are ever in the north of England come visit me at a new
>> Making / Repairing space that I?m doing in a town called
>> Todmorden - https://todmordenmakery.org.uk/
>>
>>
>> ?
>>
>> Nice one
>>
>> Mick
>>
>> "Before acting on this email or opening any attachments you
>> should read the Manchester Metropolitan University email
>> disclaimer available on its website
>> http://www.mmu.ac.uk/emaildisclaimer
>> "
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> Discuss mailing list
>> Discuss at lists.flossmanuals.net
>> http://lists.flossmanuals.net/listinfo.cgi/discuss-flossmanuals.net - you can unsubscribe here
> --
>
> helen varley jamieson
>
> helen at creative-catalyst.com
> http://www.creative-catalyst.com
> http://www.upstage.org.nz
> https://mobilise-demobilise.eu
>
> _______________________________________________
> Discuss mailing list
> Discuss at lists.flossmanuals.net
> http://lists.flossmanuals.net/listinfo.cgi/discuss-flossmanuals.net
>
> - you can unsubscribe here
>
>
>
> --
> --
> Elisa de Castro Guerra
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Discuss mailing list
> Discuss at lists.flossmanuals.net
> http://lists.flossmanuals.net/listinfo.cgi/discuss-flossmanuals.net - you can unsubscribe here
--
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From: Martin.Kean at op.ac.nz (Martin Kean)
Date: Fri, 26 Nov 2021 00:39:33 +0000
Subject: [FM Discuss] FLOSS manuals archive sites - and a volunteer
request
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Great news!
I do try to be negative : )
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actually i'm negative - i have a test from yesterday to prove it ?
On 25.11.21 16:30, Elisa Godoy de Castro Guerra wrote:
Helen you are so positive <3
Le jeu. 25 nov. 2021 ? 15:48, Helen Varley Jamieson > a ?crit :
hi mick,
great that you are getting onto this & nice to see the wayback snap of the infant FM :)
can you move the UpStage v3 manual to the archive site? we are now using the new UpStage & have nearly finished its manual - we're doing it on french FM (https://fr.flossmanuals.net/upstage-v4-english/_draft/_v/1.0/introduction/) as this was easiest for elisa to set up, & we've all benefited from learning french terms like enregister & telecharger :)
h : )
On 25.11.21 10:25, Mick Chesterman wrote:
Hi there,
I?ve been working with Alexandre Porres from the pure data community to correct older versions of our pure data manual and the current one.
This has highlighted that archived resources could do more to point to more current versions and ideally remove completely redundant versions of manuals.
This reflects the current focus of the FLOSS Manuals project to maintain existing manuals as archived work ? and to update documentation for existing project where appropriate ? and signpost to other relevant materials and resources in line with FLOSS Manuals ethos.
So, I?ve finally pulled the plug on write.flossmanuals.net ? although the site is still available here
http://floss.booktype.pro/ -
I?ll ask for that to be taken down at the end of the year ? so if there is still anything useful there that isn?t part of http://archive.flossmanuals.net then please do go grab it.
write.flossmanuals.net ? now forwards to archive.flossmanuals.net
Volunteer/s Request
Would anyone be up for taking on a project to include a header banner for the archive site that signposts reader to more updated manuals when they exist?
The archive site is in flat html. So some kind of script to inject header material would be needed. And some design work to create a nice looking header.
Here?s a link to the current archive site on gitlab
https://gitlab.com/flossmanuals/archive.flossmanuals.net
and here?s a link to an early version of flossmanuals.net capture by archive.org ? it has a header at the top of the page saying wayback machine ? it?s this kind of injected header that I?m talking about.
https://web.archive.org/web/20060721074055/http://www.flossmanuals.net/
Hope you are all doing well.
If you are ever in the north of England come visit me at a new Making / Repairing space that I?m doing in a town called Todmorden - https://todmordenmakery.org.uk/
Nice one
Mick
"Before acting on this email or opening any attachments you should read the Manchester Metropolitan University email disclaimer available on its website http://www.mmu.ac.uk/emaildisclaimer "
_______________________________________________
Discuss mailing list
Discuss at lists.flossmanuals.net
http://lists.flossmanuals.net/listinfo.cgi/discuss-flossmanuals.net - you can unsubscribe here
--
helen varley jamieson
helen at creative-catalyst.com
http://www.creative-catalyst.com
http://www.upstage.org.nz
https://mobilise-demobilise.eu
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~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
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From porres at gmail.com Sun Nov 28 08:18:36 2021
From: porres at gmail.com (Alexandre Torres Porres)
Date: Sun, 28 Nov 2021 13:18:36 -0300
Subject: [FM Discuss] FLOSS manuals archive sites - and a volunteer
request
In-Reply-To: <3953aa8bd6ea4c93b5ac0891f64186da@BFEX02.ad.mmu.ac.uk>
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Em qui., 25 de nov. de 2021 ?s 06:25, Mick Chesterman <
M.Chesterman at mmu.ac.uk> escreveu:
> Hi there,
>
>
>
> I?ve been working with Alexandre Porres from the pure data community to
> correct older versions of our pure data manual and the current one.
>
Hi folks, that's me!
We have been updating the "current" document here =>
https://en.flossmanuals.net/pd-extended/_full/
One thing that was confusing is that this was referred to as a "Pure Data"
manual, but was in fact a "Pd-extended" manual. We changed the title and
I'm editing the first introduction page. What needs to be updated there is
the fact that Pd-extended is long gone and abandoned, and it doesn't run in
newer versions of macOS, for instance. Warnings have been made that the
book is being kept as a historical document, and that it can still be
useful if you adapt the examples to the current version of the official and
main distribution of Pure Data (aka Pd Vanilla) and install the externals
used on the book.
By the way, there are currently no plans whatsoever to start a new and
updated manual on FLOSS Manuals, or elsewhere. Anything like that is pretty
unlikely to happen. Our efforts are just in improving the official manual
that comes with Pd Vanilla (now currently referred to in the edits I made
to the "current" FLOSS manual).
------
Now, we also have this archived version of the same book. And I just don't
understand why it exists. It was actually the exact same book, with the
same contents as the "new one". We now have minor edits to explain the
current scenario and avoid confusions, but keeping the archived version
still adds noise and confusion.
As for possible solutions, we can make the same changes back into the
archived one. But why keep both identical books around? One archived, and
another not?
It just makes sense to me to delete the old archived one and just keep this
new one around, which also the same document.
What do you people think?
Thanks a lot for your work keeping up FLOSS Manuals.
Cheers
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From helen at creative-catalyst.com Mon Nov 29 02:31:11 2021
From: helen at creative-catalyst.com (Helen Varley Jamieson)
Date: Mon, 29 Nov 2021 11:31:11 +0100
Subject: [FM Discuss] FLOSS manuals archive sites - and a volunteer
request
In-Reply-To:
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i would say delete all duplicate copies, it just makes it confusing :)
On 28.11.21 17:18, Alexandre Torres Porres wrote:
> Em qui., 25 de nov. de 2021 ?s 06:25, Mick Chesterman
> > escreveu:
>
> Hi there,
>
> ?
>
> I?ve been working with Alexandre Porres from the pure data
> community to correct older versions of our pure data manual and
> the current one.
>
>
> Hi folks, that's me!
>
> We have been updating the "current" document here
> =>?https://en.flossmanuals.net/pd-extended/_full/
>
>
> One thing that was confusing is that this was referred to as a "Pure
> Data" manual, but was in fact a "Pd-extended" manual. We changed the
> title and I'm editing the first introduction page. What needs to be
> updated there is the fact that Pd-extended is long gone and abandoned,
> and it doesn't run in newer versions of macOS, for instance. Warnings
> have been made that the book is being kept as a historical document,
> and that it can still be useful if you adapt the examples to the
> current?version of the official and main distribution of Pure Data
> (aka Pd Vanilla) and install the externals used on the book.
>
> By the way, there are currently no plans whatsoever to start a new and
> updated manual on FLOSS Manuals, or elsewhere. Anything like that is
> pretty unlikely to happen. Our efforts are just in improving the
> official manual that comes with Pd Vanilla (now currently referred to
> in the edits I made to the "current" FLOSS manual).? ?
>
> ------
>
> Now, we also have this archived version of the same book. And I just
> don't understand why it exists. It was actually the exact same book,
> with the same contents as the "new one". We now have minor edits to
> explain the current scenario and avoid confusions, but keeping the
> archived version still adds noise and confusion.
>
> As for possible solutions, we can make the same changes back into the
> archived one. But why keep both identical books around? One archived,
> and another not?
>
> It just makes sense to me to delete the old archived one and just keep
> this new one around, which also the same document.
>
> What do you people think?
>
> Thanks a lot for your work keeping up FLOSS Manuals.
>
> Cheers
>
> _______________________________________________
> Discuss mailing list
> Discuss at lists.flossmanuals.net
> http://lists.flossmanuals.net/listinfo.cgi/discuss-flossmanuals.net - you can unsubscribe here
--
helen varley jamieson
helen at creative-catalyst.com
http://www.creative-catalyst.com
http://www.upstage.org.nz
https://mobilise-demobilise.eu
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From mick at flossmanuals.net Mon Nov 29 08:18:47 2021
From: mick at flossmanuals.net (Mick Fuzz)
Date: Mon, 29 Nov 2021 16:18:47 +0000
Subject: [FM Discuss] FLOSS manuals archive sites - and a volunteer
request
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Message-ID: <03d8fd07-f602-b484-f765-06b141334ccc@flossmanuals.net>
Hi there,
The archive site at archive.flossmanuals.net - is a snap shot of
flossmanuals about 7 or 8 years ago or so.
So it's not straightforward to delete things from it. And well the idea
isn't really to keep that archive up to date as it's an archive :) I
don't think it's a good idea to subtract from an archive. But yes better
signposting that it is an archive and where to find up to date things
would be really useful. I'm keen to work on that.
And for the other pure data manual -
https://en.flossmanuals.net/pd-extended/_full/
It sounds like it's not up to date - but is update-able at least.
Someone did do some work last year to recreate some of the code
examples. It's there in case anyone does want to take it on.
nice one
Mick
On 29/11/2021 10:31, Helen Varley Jamieson wrote:
>
> i would say delete all duplicate copies, it just makes it confusing :)
>
> On 28.11.21 17:18, Alexandre Torres Porres wrote:
>> Em qui., 25 de nov. de 2021 ?s 06:25, Mick Chesterman
>> > escreveu:
>>
>> Hi there,
>>
>> ?
>>
>> I?ve been working with Alexandre Porres from the pure data
>> community to correct older versions of our pure data manual and
>> the current one.
>>
>>
>> Hi folks, that's me!
>>
>> We have been updating the "current" document here
>> =>?https://en.flossmanuals.net/pd-extended/_full/
>>
>>
>> One thing that was confusing is that this was referred to as a "Pure
>> Data" manual, but was in fact a "Pd-extended" manual. We changed the
>> title and I'm editing the first introduction page. What needs to be
>> updated there is the fact that Pd-extended is long gone and
>> abandoned, and it doesn't run in newer versions of macOS, for
>> instance. Warnings have been made that the book is being kept as a
>> historical document, and that it can still be useful if you adapt the
>> examples to the current?version of the official and main distribution
>> of Pure Data (aka Pd Vanilla) and install the externals used on the book.
>>
>> By the way, there are currently no plans whatsoever to start a new
>> and updated manual on FLOSS Manuals, or elsewhere. Anything like that
>> is pretty unlikely to happen. Our efforts are just in improving the
>> official manual that comes with Pd Vanilla (now currently referred to
>> in the edits I made to the "current" FLOSS manual).? ?
>>
>> ------
>>
>> Now, we also have this archived version of the same book. And I just
>> don't understand why it exists. It was actually the exact same book,
>> with the same contents as the "new one". We now have minor edits to
>> explain the current scenario and avoid confusions, but keeping the
>> archived version still adds noise and confusion.
>>
>> As for possible solutions, we can make the same changes back into the
>> archived one. But why keep both identical books around? One archived,
>> and another not?
>>
>> It just makes sense to me to delete the old archived one and just
>> keep this new one around, which also the same document.
>>
>> What do you people think?
>>
>> Thanks a lot for your work keeping up FLOSS Manuals.
>>
>> Cheers
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> Discuss mailing list
>> Discuss at lists.flossmanuals.net
>> http://lists.flossmanuals.net/listinfo.cgi/discuss-flossmanuals.net - you can unsubscribe here
> --
>
> helen varley jamieson
>
> helen at creative-catalyst.com
> http://www.creative-catalyst.com
> http://www.upstage.org.nz
> https://mobilise-demobilise.eu
>
>
> _______________________________________________
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From: helen at creative-catalyst.com (Helen Varley Jamieson)
Date: Mon, 29 Nov 2021 18:03:45 +0100
Subject: [FM Discuss] FLOSS manuals archive sites - and a volunteer
request
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ok then it sounds like a banner that automatically appears along the top
signalling that it's an archive is the best solution. would it appear on
all pages, all the time when you're in the archive? (in case a search
brings you to an internal page, for example).
h : )
On 29.11.21 17:18, Mick Fuzz wrote:
>
> Hi there,
>
> The archive site at archive.flossmanuals.net - is a snap shot of
> flossmanuals about 7 or 8 years ago or so.
>
> So it's not straightforward to delete things from it. And well the
> idea isn't really to keep that archive up to date as it's an archive
> :) I don't think it's a good idea to subtract from an archive. But yes
> better signposting that it is an archive and where to find up to date
> things would be really useful. I'm keen to work on that.
>
> And for the other pure data manual -
> https://en.flossmanuals.net/pd-extended/_full/
>
> It sounds like it's not up to date - but is update-able at least.
> Someone did do some work last year to recreate some of the code
> examples. It's there in case anyone does want to take it on.
>
> nice one
> Mick
>
> On 29/11/2021 10:31, Helen Varley Jamieson wrote:
>>
>> i would say delete all duplicate copies, it just makes it confusing :)
>>
>> On 28.11.21 17:18, Alexandre Torres Porres wrote:
>>> Em qui., 25 de nov. de 2021 ?s 06:25, Mick Chesterman
>>> > escreveu:
>>>
>>> Hi there,
>>>
>>> ?
>>>
>>> I?ve been working with Alexandre Porres from the pure data
>>> community to correct older versions of our pure data manual and
>>> the current one.
>>>
>>>
>>> Hi folks, that's me!
>>>
>>> We have been updating the "current" document here
>>> =>?https://en.flossmanuals.net/pd-extended/_full/
>>>
>>>
>>> One thing that was confusing is that this was referred to as a "Pure
>>> Data" manual, but was in fact a "Pd-extended" manual. We changed the
>>> title and I'm editing the first introduction page. What needs to be
>>> updated there is the fact that Pd-extended is long gone and
>>> abandoned, and it doesn't run in newer versions of macOS, for
>>> instance. Warnings have been made that the book is being kept as a
>>> historical document, and that it can still be useful if you adapt
>>> the examples to the current?version of the official and main
>>> distribution of Pure Data (aka Pd Vanilla) and install the externals
>>> used on the book.
>>>
>>> By the way, there are currently no plans whatsoever to start a new
>>> and updated manual on FLOSS Manuals, or elsewhere. Anything like
>>> that is pretty unlikely to happen. Our efforts are just in improving
>>> the official manual that comes with Pd Vanilla (now currently
>>> referred to in the edits I made to the "current" FLOSS manual).? ?
>>>
>>> ------
>>>
>>> Now, we also have this archived version of the same book. And I just
>>> don't understand why it exists. It was actually the exact same book,
>>> with the same contents as the "new one". We now have minor edits to
>>> explain the current scenario and avoid confusions, but keeping the
>>> archived version still adds noise and confusion.
>>>
>>> As for possible solutions, we can make the same changes back into
>>> the archived one. But why keep both identical books around? One
>>> archived, and another not?
>>>
>>> It just makes sense to me to delete the old archived one and just
>>> keep this new one around, which also the same document.
>>>
>>> What do you people think?
>>>
>>> Thanks a lot for your work keeping up FLOSS Manuals.
>>>
>>> Cheers
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> Discuss mailing list
>>> Discuss at lists.flossmanuals.net
>>> http://lists.flossmanuals.net/listinfo.cgi/discuss-flossmanuals.net - you can unsubscribe here
>> --
>>
>> helen varley jamieson
>>
>> helen at creative-catalyst.com
>> http://www.creative-catalyst.com
>> http://www.upstage.org.nz
>> https://mobilise-demobilise.eu
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> Discuss mailing list
>> Discuss at lists.flossmanuals.net
>> http://lists.flossmanuals.net/listinfo.cgi/discuss-flossmanuals.net - you can unsubscribe here
>
> _______________________________________________
> Discuss mailing list
> Discuss at lists.flossmanuals.net
> http://lists.flossmanuals.net/listinfo.cgi/discuss-flossmanuals.net - you can unsubscribe here
--
helen varley jamieson
helen at creative-catalyst.com
http://www.creative-catalyst.com
http://www.upstage.org.nz
https://mobilise-demobilise.eu
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From M.Chesterman at mmu.ac.uk Tue Nov 30 02:14:19 2021
From: M.Chesterman at mmu.ac.uk (Mick Chesterman)
Date: Tue, 30 Nov 2021 10:14:19 +0000
Subject: [FM Discuss] FLOSS manuals archive sites - and a volunteer
request
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HI there,
I?ve started a quick requirements text here in a collaborative pad
https://pad.riseup.net/p/fm_archive_header-keep
thanks
Mick
# TODO
This project is to include a header in archive.flossmanuals.net
The project has two parts.
## First the Design
First a header design needs to be created. We can adapt the one on this page from archive.org.
To start with we can use a generic one for the whole site. But more specific ones per manual can also be used. For example to highlight the current work and project of pure-data.
## Second the Script
A script to go through all html pages and insert the header in the flat files is needed. Here's the wish list.
* The header should appear on all html files in the archive - (not just front pages)
* It should be able to run on a servers and desktops idealy running debian / ubuntu
* It should be reversable or at least be able to be updated easily
* It should have options to select subdirectories - or to be run in subdirectories - so that individual manuals can be altered with specific headers for more detailed signposting.
## Next!
You can join the FM mailing list to discuss this project. https://www.flossmanuals.org/get-involved-0
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