[FM Discuss] Wordpress stuff

Sun Mar 2 17:36:03 PST 2008

hi all,

> 
> 
> so lets itemize the questions, and take a vote ( is that how it  
> works ? ) or those who get to decide, let them decide .
> 

there is no real route established yet for answering these kind of
questions. if there has been a process so far i guess, by default, it
has been by decree via me. 

however I am more than happy for these discussions to go through the
list and be decided by the list. 

adam

> 1	can an open manual encourage the reader to spend money on open but  
> non-free services ?
> 
> 2	can an open manual refer to the use of free but non-open software ?
> 
> 3	can an open manual spruke a non-open service ?
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> On 03/03/2008, at 7:57 AM, Simon Yuill wrote:
> 
> > Hi Seth,
> >
> > I appreciate your points about accessibility and not being
> > 'religious', and agree with them to some extent, however,
> > I would argue that the issue with the iTunes store in
> > relation to 'libre' services is that you can only access
> > it through the non-free iTunes software, so regardless of
> > what licence you distribute your content under, it still
> > places restrictions on how you access it. iTunes store may
> > be 'free' in terms of what you put in but it is not 'free'
> > (as in libre) in terms of how you can get it out at the
> > other end. For this reason I would argue that it is not
> > appropriate to encourage its use in a project dedicated to
> > encouraging FLOSS uptake. I would argue that for this
> > reason that to promote iTunes usage does indeed bend the
> > principles of FLOSS quite considerably.
> >
> > There is an article here on why the French newspaper
> > Liberation has chosen Miro over iTunes for its podcasts:
> >
> > http://pculture.org/devblogs/teammiro/2008/01/19/french-newspaper- 
> > to-recommend-miro/
> >
> > One point Liberation make in the article is that they felt
> > using iTunes for distribution made their content less
> > accessible.
> >
> > I would agree that there needs to be a balance between
> > purity of principle and accessibility, but I don't think
> > we would compromise on accessibility if we give preference
> > to encouraging services that are properly FLOSS or closer
> > to FLOSS in how they operate.
> >
> > best wishes
> > Si
> >
> > On Sun, 2 Mar 2008 12:25:00 -0800
> >   "Seth Woodworth" <seth at isforinsects.com> wrote:
> >> I'm not a regular contributor to FM, but I disagree.
> >>
> >> One: iTunes is opening it's DRM considerably as of late,
> >> and offering higher
> >> quality and non-drm songs.
> >> Two: iTines contains content from many of the open
> >> lecture series from MIT
> >> Harvard etc that are all open content and CC licensed.
> >> This material is for
> >> free, and is extensive.  So FM would be in good company.
> >> Three: Doesn't it make sense to try to preach to the
> >> people in the iTunes
> >> crowd?  Attempt to be a voice of reason and explain
> >> positions to people who
> >> might not otherwise hear them?
> >>
> >> All of my arguments assume one can publish with iTunes
> >> non-exclusively.  But
> >> I think that distribution with iTunes, Podiobooks (CC
> >> audiobooks), or any
> >> organization that will carry FM content.
> >>
> >> I feel/think that one of the purposes is to document
> >> FLOSS projects to break
> >> down some of these religious disagreements between free
> >> and non-free
> >> systems.  Distribution through iTunes would reach a very
> >> large audience with
> >> little or no bending of morals or principles.
> >>
> >> On Sun, Mar 2, 2008 at 9:21 AM, adam hyde
> >> <adam at flossmanuals.net> wrote:
> >>
> >>> hi,
> >>>
> >>> I agree with you Simon - FM is for FLOSS and if we cross
> >>> into services
> >>> then these should be free services (but what exactly is
> >>> the equivalent
> >>> of 'libre' when it comes to services is a tricky issue
> >>> in itself).
> >>>
> >>> Mr Snow, the material you have written looks fantastic.
> >>> However I think
> >>> we need to leave the iTunes material out of the FM
> >>> repository. I
> >>> understand you are writing these under commission for
> >>> Tactical
> >>> Technology Collective - how adamant are they that iTunes
> >>> store is
> >>> documented? I am sure we can find another ('libre')
> >>> solution...
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> adam
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> On Sun, 2008-03-02 at 15:36 +0000, Simon Yuill wrote:
> >>>> Hi,
> >>>>
> >>>> I'm just following up on a point in Mr Snow's last
> >>> mail:
> >>>>
> >>>>> i have just been looking into adding ones podcast to
> >>> the itunes store
> >>>>
> >>>> I wonder is it really appropriate that we should be
> >>>> including tutorials that encourage use of non-FLOSS
> >>>> services such as the iTunes store?
> >>>>
> >>>> I appreciate FM is taking a 'broad church' approach to
> >>>> encouraging FLOSS usage, but to me something like this
> >>> is
> >>>> maybe crossing a line that we shouldn't. I am asking
> >>>> partly as it raises the question of how (or if) we are
> >>>> setting our own boundaries for what is appropriate to
> >>>> include?
> >>>>
> >>>> That's not intended as a criticism of Mr Snow and what
> >>>> looks like an excellent tutorial overall, but I am
> >>>> interested to know what people think ....
> >>>>
> >>>> best wishes
> >>>> Si
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