[FM Discuss] Wordpress stuff

Wed Mar 5 06:50:58 PST 2008

Hi Luka,

I just wanted to clarify my comparison with Samba.

Samba (like Wordpress) FLOSS that can be used in conjunction with  
closed / proprietary systems.  I realize the analogy isn't perfect,  
but my point in using the analogy was to demonstrate that there will  
likely always be an 'overlap' in the use of Free / non-free systems  
for the vast majority of users.  In this case, adding the required  
metadata to have material represented on ITMS (if I understand this  
correctly) wouldn't hamper accessibility to the same material by open  
systems. -- similar to using Samba.

I completely agree that it's probably poor tactics to portray iTunes /  
ITMS as a preferable option -- for all the reasons stated in this  
discussion.  However, I think that mentioning a closed system in  
comparison to an open one is a good opportunity to introduce the  
relative merits of either system to an audience that might not  
otherwise be aware of the issues at all.

Best,
Ben

On Mar 5, 2008, at 4:37 AM, Luka Princic / Nova Viator wrote:

> adam hyde <adam at flossmanuals.net>:
>
>> I'm also in agreement - as long as we offer alternatives alongside it
>> and raise the issues. I have changed my position after the  
>> interesting
>> debate...any other votes for / against?
>
>
> hi,
>
> i'm not very active here, but i somehow wanted to add to the debate
> here, with a thought or two.
>
> while i respect the work being put into the manual, i think the bottom
> line of my thinking ends up at the thought, that there would be no
> FLOSS really if popularity would be a good argument to decide what
> should be worked on. i think popularity of flash video format is what
> among other factors is stiffling the development of free solution like
> ogg theora. i think it's a good position to put (money and) energy  
> into
> things that are good or even better but not necessarily popular.
> personaly (and that includes some very subjective impulses, i admit) i
> find the manual that uses itunes as the best option to distribute
> and promote your own podcasts highly problematic in context of 'free
> manuals for free software'. samba itself is free software for example
> and any client can connect to it. i would rather put itunes as  
> second or
> third alternative and 'promote' rather some 'freedom-respecting'
> services. like jamendo, archive.org, itheora?
>
> just my 2 quick cents.
>
>
> best, luka.
>
>
>>
>> adam
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Wed, 2008-03-05 at 09:55 +1100, Mr. Snow wrote:
>>> hi there .
>>>
>>> yes it raised a few issues and hackles quite quickly .
>>>
>>> my feeling at the moment is still that we should introduce ideas
>>> about how to perfect integration with the itunes store . not only
>>> because it should increase eyeballs there, but because it is
>>> likely other podcast aggregators will read itunes:namespace as
>>> well .
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On 05/03/2008, at 2:03 AM, Mick Fuzz wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>> --- adam hyde <adam at flossmanuals.net> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> hi,
>>>>>
>>>>> So where did we get with this very interesting
>>>>> discussion...Mr
>>>>> Snow...what are your thoughts on it at the moment?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I think this is a good issue to decide this on. If you
>>>> put a video feed created by FLOSS tools into iTunes
>>>> then you are likely to get a lot of views for your
>>>> video files. Undercurrents.org are looking at about
>>>> 300,000 per episode for their recent ones.
>>>>
>>>> If you don't then you are looking at using YouTube to
>>>> get a similar amount of viewers.
>>>>
>>>> So  you could say it's one way of biting the biscuit
>>>> without getting burned.
>>>>
>>>> But what we are really talking about here is the
>>>> support for the itunes tags in the feed specification.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> And actually the alternative Media RSS is maintained
>>>> by Yahoo, which may soon be owned by MS, so that
>>>> alternative isn't looking very good either. Unless you
>>>> want to extend an Atom spec, which is what we are
>>>> doing for the Transmission standard.
>>>>
>>>> I'm working on a wiki page about similar issues here.
>>>>
>>>> http://wiki.transmission.cc/index.php/
>>>> What_video_publishing_sites_need_to_create_in_terms_of_feed
>>>>
>>>> Any feedback is gratefully received, I know it's
>>>> looking a bit barren at the moment. But there is a lot
>>>> of information if you follow the links.
>>>>
>>>> All the best,
>>>> Mick.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> ------------------o)------------------
>>>> http://clearerchannel.org video distro
>>>> http://transmission.cc/projects -metadata anyone?
>>>>
>>>> phone: 07913 882193
>>>> new email : mickfuzz at clearerchannel.org
>>>>
>>>>
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