[FM Discuss] groups that are companies, one manual groups etc

Wed Dec 15 11:12:29 PST 2010

hey 

No worries Lloyd. Had the same day not so long ago...

I took the liberty to remove the old manual from booki.fm and add a new
one:
http://booki.flossmanuals.net/

While doing that I put the chapters into the table of contents, and then
transfered the admin ownership of the manual to you. 

have a look at the manual, I think u will see how the sections and
chapters work together...let me know if I can help but I think its
reasonably straight forward., Its much easier in this new system to see
how the sections and chapters fit together etc (i hope!)

thanks for sticking with it! I hope FM helps you :)

adam

On Wed, 2010-12-15 at 12:05 -0500, lloyd at writersglen.com wrote:
> Hi Adam,
> 
> My apologies Adam.
> 
> Your e-mail caught me on a particularly frustrating day and I got hung up on the word "groups." I thought you were referring to the Zotonic user group which certainly has no need of multiple manuals.
> 
> As to how you group projects on the ibook site, the Zotonic User Documentation would fit well in with other content management systems. Realistically, though, I'm not sure how much cross communication/collaboration one would expect across projects since different CMSs run on different platforms and meet different needs. On the other hand, grouping under functionality would be useful for folks who wish to survey options within a solution area.
> 
> Re: migration, I suppose if it had worked I'd have simply gone about my business and not thought more of it. But, as mentioned, it came on top of several other frustrations. That, I think, set me up for misreading your e-mail. 
> 
> I may well need your help with migration. I'd be happy to do it manually but, as I recall, the table of contents page in the new system was a dead-end -- I couldn't get to anything I could enter or edit. Maybe I missed something. But I'll look again later today -- hopefully with a clearer head.
> 
> I've been involved in software development for many years so I understand the challenges. You have my utmost respect and gratitude for creating such a valuable open source project. 
> 
> Zotonic is an outstanding system, but fast evolving. Documentation is terribly deficient; the developers too busy developing to give user documentation much attention. So ibook provides a way for users to share and organize their knowledge. That's the theory anyway. Getting folks to contribute is something else.
> 
> Thanks for your patience, Adam.
> 
> All the best,
> 
> Lloyd
> 
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: "adam" <adam at xs4all.nl>
> Sent: Wednesday, December 15, 2010 5:27am
> To: discuss at lists.flossmanuals.net
> Subject: Re: [FM Discuss] groups that are companies, one manual groups etc
> 
> hey Lloyd,
> 
> No one is saying that 'we dont want your kind of project' - I went
> through the emails and I don't see any implication even close to that
> but if I missed something please let me know.
> 
> Perhaps you are referring to the the discussion about Groups and how
> they should work? If so then it would be fantastic if you could forward
> your thoughts on how you think these can work for your project. It would
> be very interesting to understand how Zotonic wish to use groups or what
> potential you see in this.
> 
> As for the migration issues. My apologies for this. It is frustrating to
> migrate content. I think the downside is that you have not been involved
> with FM for very long and so you possibly were not part of the
> discussions and process that has been going on for almost a  year now to
> migrate the content. It might seem sudden to you but believe me, it was
> anything but sudden. To most of us it seemed to take too long, but I can
> understand this is not transparent to you and perhaps I should have
> worked harder to ensure everyone was across the timeline and reasons for
> migrating.
> 
> I think the new tool set will be more useful for you that the old one.
> And if you need assistance migrating the rest of the content then my
> offer stands...I can help you migrate the rest of the chapters. It would
> not take long, If we do it together I think it takes about 10 minutes.
> You just have to say if this is something you want to do. 
> 
> However if you think that FM is not for you, that is also fine. You can
> see your original manual in its entirety here:
> http://en.flossmanuals.net/bin/view/Zotonic
> 
> If you wish not to utilise FM please let me know and I will delete the
> manual from the two sites once you have copied all the content.
> 
> However I do hope you consider staying if you think FM can be useful to
> you and your project.
> 
> adam
> 
> 
> 
> On Tue, 2010-12-14 at 12:42 -0500, lloyd at writersglen.com wrote:
> > Hello,
> > 
> > Well, I'm sorry, but I guess I completely misunderstood the purpose of your sites.
> > 
> > FLOSS looked like a terrific way to meet a pressing need of our Zotonic User Group -- get good documentation out to people who might benefit from using the open-source Zotonic CMS. 
> > 
> > I invested a number of hours setting up and starting work on our manual on FLOSS. Several Zotonic User Group members registered. We've been discussing how best to flesh out content since information must come from several sources.
> > 
> > But now you want us to reregister on a new site, move the manual (which only copied the taple of contents when I tried it), only to hear you say you really don't want our kind of project. And, moreover, I can't get access to the work I've done unless I ask you to turn login back on and manually copy out content.
> > 
> > Very confusing.
> > 
> > Please do turn on access to the old system so I can copy out our work in progres. It seems I need to find a more reliable way to meet our need. 
> > 
> > Thanks you.
> > 
> > Lloyd R. Prentice 
> > 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: "adam hyde" <adam at flossmanuals.net>
> > Sent: Tuesday, December 14, 2010 4:01am
> > To: discuss at lists.flossmanuals.net
> > Subject: [FM Discuss] groups that are companies, one manual groups etc
> > 
> > hi all,
> > 
> > so...some questions as to what we do with groups...
> > 
> > i'd be interested in a conversation about what groups should be.
> > Yesterday I wrote a little about where we want to go with them but now I
> > would like to open up a conversation about how to manage these.
> > 
> > I have two points with some questions...so, first...what are peoples
> > views on Groups which are dedicated to a specific software (vs a
> > topic/category of software)...I would be interested to know especially
> > from Zotronic and Plumi what their feeling is about this. I want to see
> > cross-software collaboration occur and my feeling was that groups would
> > turn into hubs for this. If you write on one software in the CMS group
> > you might know something about another software in the same group and
> > get in the flow of their communication channels and start contributing
> > (for example)... Of course we dont yet have the tools to make this
> > happen but they are coming (but perhaps this makes this conversation a
> > little pre-mature). in anycase... what do you guys see as the advantage
> > of having a group dedicated to just one software? interested in your
> > thoughts...
> > 
> > second. what do we do with companies? Do we encourage these entities to
> > put their softwares into topic categories...or are company names ok for
> > group names? Personally I am unclear on this. I kind of have no problem
> > with it until I feel like it is stepping over the line toward
> > advertising. Granted thats a hard thing to do in this environment but
> > anyways...opening this up to conversation...
> > 
> > 
> > adam
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> 
> 
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