[FM Discuss] Muddling the Middleman

[mark]

Hi again.

On 01/02/10 16:43, Joshua Facemyer wrote:
> This is fine, but it doesn't mean one cannot do something for himself
> unless it does not involve money.

I'm sorry but your use of a triple negative is confusing. Please can you
rephrase that?

> Even you seem to make an exception
> here - "unless there's no option".  But according to your position as
> previously stated, even if you have no alternative to earning money in
> exchange for a good or service, then you cannot be doing it for
> yourself.  Even if the good or service is exactly the same.  Or else you
> misrepresented yourself, and the whole principle of your argument is
> false anyway.

I don't follow you here, sorry.

> Bartering can only take place in an economy, or "market", which is
> simply a set of values placed on goods by the people involved.  Don't
> make a denotation of a term its whole definition.

Please can you explain the distinction you make here between denotation
and definition? Sorry if I'm being thick.

> Not free in the ultimate sense.  Can't be.

Wow, you know the ultimate definition of freedom! I've been looking for
this for years! Tell us!

> Someone somewhere has to
> work for these things.  Freedom only makes sense alongside
> sustainability, and just using people's unwanted stuff or taking
> handouts is not sustainable.

It is sustainable as long as there are surpluses. When consumerism
collapses and there are no more surpluses, we'll have a whole new set of
challenges to deal with, but I guess that's some way off in the future yet.

> And someone has to work to make these things available.  That's not
> "free" (in a financial or ownership sense) in the ultimate way.  See my
> point above.

Sure, tell us about ultimate freedom. I think you know something I don't.

Mark

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