[FM Discuss] updated IBD

[Tomi Toivio]

I think that this is a useful discussion since there have been major
ideological struggles about this regarding the Finnish site.

I tried to find well-known open source advocate who would have a problem
with the commercial open source projects but could not find anything like
that. Basically the whole discussion went from Stallman into Stalin.

In some ways I think that FM could have a better impact if publishers in
poor countries would just print cheap copies. Pretty much the same people
who sell pirate copies of books but this would be legal. Lulu.com needs a
credit card, which would make it unavailable for lotsa people. I was trying
to throw this idea around last year in Nairobi but probably nobody is doing
it. The FLOSS CD would have been even more obvious since there are so many
pirate CD hawkers.





lauantai, 7. heinäkuuta 2012 Daniel James <daniel.james at sourcefabric.org>
kirjoitti:
> Hi Camille,
>
>> fruit is a FINITE resource whereas culture and software are NOT.
>
> I'm not sure that's true. Near-zero-cost copying doesn't enable
> zero-cost production, and we can only copy what has already been made.
>
>> The Mona Lisa is so valuable because we've all seen it reproduced
>> and remixed so many different times.
>
> Actually, I think that painting had high value before the advent of
> digital copies. If you could only see it in the Louvre I don't think it
> would be worth any less, just like hearing a recording of a musician is
> not the same as seeing them live. Otherwise no-one would pay for a real
> painting, they would buy a high resolution copy (and optionally bid for
> the reproduction rights).
>
>> Does  this mean we should turn our backs on open source? Shutter our
>> doors and become non-Free because hey "We gotta eat!"
>
> Not at all, I'm just suggesting that free culture may be difficult to
> sustain over the long term if there is a net flow of resources out of
> the community.
>
>> maybe you should bone up on your open source business models
>> <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Business_models_for_open_source_software>.
>
> I don't deny that business models for Free Software can work, because
> software has the intrinsic problems of being expensive to make, never
> being finished and rapidly going out of date. Cultural products may or
> may not be expensive to make, but the other two problems need not apply.
> (Software manuals are perhaps more like software than most cultural
> products).
>
> On a positive note, I wonder if there may be practical cultural models
> in non-commercial/commercial licensing, backed by solid attribution. For
> example if someone writes a software manual, and someone else uses it
> for free training, the trainer doesn't pay. If they are charging for the
> training, they pay a reasonable amount to the attributed authors - say
> 10% of the course fee - perhaps via the organisation hosting the
> Booktype instance.
>
> If the trainer becomes a contributor to the manual, they will get some
> of that income back. That would create a positive feedback loop, with an
> incentive for the many trainers around the world to use and contribute
> to the manuals. It might also encourage the delivery of free training.
>
> I personally would not have a problem with the Flossmanuals Foundation
> collecting money for commercial use of a book I had written. I might
> choose to donate some or all of that money back to the Foundation.
>
> Cheers!
>
> Daniel
>
>
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Tomi Toivio
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