[FM Discuss] 3rd release of csound floss manual released

[joachim heintz]

hi mick -

thanks for the feedback. i am myself teaching at a university of music 
(hmtm hannover), so i know that there are a lot of people using and 
teaching open source software for audio. the linux audio conference 
(next week in graz) is probably the main forum.

i try to promote flossmanuals wherever i can ...=) --- and not because i 
think i should be a missionary but because it is a really great and 
interesting experience which i want to share and discuss with others. 
end of juin there will be a meeting of all german/austrian/swiss 
electronic studios in music universities at zkm karlsruhe, and i will 
have a talk there about the csound floss manual as an example for a 
collaboratively written online textbook.

i really appreciate what adam did in creating this platform, and what 
all admins and other people do to maintain it and improve it.

this said, i may also append some critical words. mainly, i sometimes 
miss some communication and reliability. for instance, when we finished 
working on this release and i went to the flossmanuals.net/admin.php and 
pushed it to publish, nothing happened the next days. fortunately, helen 
had the same problem, so i knew (but only because of her mails to the 
list) there was an issue. but apart from some "we will check" i did not 
know anything. ten days later i asked again. then at least some more 
information because of the various list reactions, but i still had no 
idea whether this could be fixed soon or i had to wait for a month or 
so. i started a talk with my csound floss manual co-admins whether we 
should consider to move to another platform. then suddenly somone said: 
oh the new release is there! i got no notification, nothing.

i completely understand if there are issues. but i'd love to know more 
about these issues. if things are happening in a way like this, i become 
frustrated, because we are depending on this platform when we put our 
manual here.

as another example, i told adam about my future talk at zkm about the 
csound floss manual, and that i'd like to tell something about 
flossmanuals and its history in general, and whether we could perhaps 
have a talk about this. no reply. perhaps my email got lost, or he is 
too busy now, i understand, but many little events lead me to the 
impression that there could be some improvement here, if i may say this 
word: in the culture of communication, of listening and answering. 
perhaps there are some structural problems behind - it is somehow 
strange to read something like "you owe me ten thousands euro" ...

to come back to the bright side: thanks again for the feedback, mick, 
and perhaps i can ask you something about flossmanuals background for my 
talk at zkm. i will write you off-list.

best -

	joachim



Am 03.05.2013 03:45, schrieb Mick - Clearerchannel:
>
>> alex hofmann will push a printed version at lulu.com in a short time.
>>
>> please let us know any bugs, errata and suggestions.
>
> I've always thought the Csound manual is such a complete and great piece
> of work.
>
> Tangentally but relevantly (I hope) I was impressed with the Libre
> Graphics Meeting and the moves that are happening there to include open
> tools in education. There was a meeting of people who wanted to share
> experiences and create a network of educators. There must have been
> 30-40 people there. It was great to hear the stories and experiences.
> Joachim, is there an equivalent forum for open audio tools?
>
> The reason I ask is because it strikes me that your manual could be used
> as a basis for a foundation or even a post grad module in computer
> science in audio. It would be great for you to have some back up in
> promoting it in that way.
>
> nice one
> Mick
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