[FM Discuss] question about pdf generation on FLOSS Manuals / Booktype

Mick Chesterman M.Chesterman at mmu.ac.uk
Mon Jan 29 12:13:25 PST 2018


Thanks Maren, 

I've tried those settings with the Audacity manual and it looks better but still needs some tweaks. 
http://objavi.booktype.pro/data/books/audacity-en-2018.01.29-21.10.44.pdf
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From: Discuss <discuss-bounces at lists.flossmanuals.net> on behalf of Maren Hachmann <maren at goos-habermann.de>
Sent: 29 January 2018 13:19
To: discuss at lists.flossmanuals.net
Subject: Re: [FM Discuss] question about pdf generation on FLOSS Manuals / Booktype

Here's some additional info that one of our devs has found out while
trying things out:
https://gitlab.com/inkscape/inkscape-docs/manuals/blob/master/beginners_guide/README.md
(he's not a native English speaker)

Maren

Am 29.01.2018 um 11:13 schrieb M R:
> Mick:
>
>
> I've had a quick look at your final link -- can you tell me where you
> found the stuff about pdf formatting?  I'm not finding it.  "Editing a
> Chapter" is pretty generic.  And the "Tips and Tricks" section seems to
> all be about CSS stuff.
>
>
> While I don't love the widows and orphans, I could live with those if we
> could just get a TOC in there.  But I don't know how to do it other than
> creating an actual chapter for the TOC, which would look totally strange
> in any other format.
>
>
> thanks,
>
>
> Matt
>
>
>
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> *From:* Discuss <discuss-bounces at lists.flossmanuals.net> on behalf of
> Mick Chesterman <M.Chesterman at mmu.ac.uk>
> *Sent:* Monday, January 29, 2018 1:25 AM
> *To:* discuss at lists.flossmanuals.net
> *Subject:* Re: [FM Discuss] question about pdf generation on FLOSS
> Manuals / Booktype
>
>
> Hi Matt,
>
>
>
> Regards your question below about pdf generation. I have to admit I know
> next to nothing about this.
>
> My focus has always been on the web side of things.
>
>
>
> It would be good if people could share any info they have.
>
>
>
> We are using booktype 1.6. So I did a bit of research.
>
> There is some info on some of those aspects in the docs
>
>
>
> CSS formatting
>
> http://sourcefabric.booktype.pro/booktype-16-for-authors-and-publishers/adding-css/
>
> /chapter: Adding-Css / Booktype 1.6 for Authors and Publishers
> <http://sourcefabric.booktype.pro/booktype-16-for-authors-and-publishers/adding-css/>
> sourcefabric.booktype.pro
> Everything you ever wanted to know about Sourcefabric software is here!
>
>
>
>
> CSS tricks
>
> http://sourcefabric.booktype.pro/booktype-16-for-authors-and-publishers/some-tricks/
>
> /chapter: Some-Tricks / Booktype 1.6 for Authors and Publishers
> <http://sourcefabric.booktype.pro/booktype-16-for-authors-and-publishers/some-tricks/>
> sourcefabric.booktype.pro
> Everything you ever wanted to know about Sourcefabric software is here!
>
>
>
>
> A tip to insert Page breaks as a hack to avoid orphans and widows in pdfs
>
> http://sourcefabric.booktype.pro/booktype-16-for-authors-and-publishers/editing-a-chapter/
>
> /chapter: Editing-A-Chapter / Booktype 1.6 for Authors and Publishers
> <http://sourcefabric.booktype.pro/booktype-16-for-authors-and-publishers/editing-a-chapter/>
> sourcefabric.booktype.pro
> Everything you ever wanted to know about Sourcefabric software is here!
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Thanks
>
> Mick
>
>
>
> *From:*Discuss [mailto:discuss-bounces at lists.flossmanuals.net] *On
> Behalf Of *M R
> *Sent:* 27 January 2018 20:04
> *To:* discuss at lists.flossmanuals.net
> *Subject:* Re: [FM Discuss] next steps on Audacity book
>
>
>
> Mick (et al):
>
>
>
> All great stuff on your changes and review.  Thanks for addressing the
> table issue in the Menu chapter.   And the image max-width: I didn't
> even know that could be adjusted.  I had just ended up making all of my
> screenshots smaller so as to get around that distortion issue.
>
>
>
> I think the ePub book proof looks really good. The pdf one doesn't seem
> to handle page-breaks very gracefully (among other issues), but it
> doesn't appear that there's a way to handle that at the level of the
> content-edit platform itself.  Nor does the pdf seem to auto-generate a
> table of contents, which is a more significant failing -- but again
> these must be issues common to all Floss manuals in pdf.  Or maybe there
> are settings you can fiddle with specific to generating PDFs on the
> platform.
>
>
>
> In the "Recording" chapter, yes I do still see my bracketed
> comment/query about whether that Mac-specific config stuff was still
> applicable to 2.x.   Certainly we should remove the comment.  But it's
> still an open question to me whether we should remove any or all of the
> original Mac config info that follows too--and I think that can only be
> settled via experimentation with a Mac.  So Rosalind or another Mac
> person will have to address that.  I think we decided in general that we
> would *not* preserve in this manual any info pertaining only to 1.x
> versions of Audacity, at least unless it was clearly flagged as such.
>
>
>
> Mick, as to your final suggestion about moving the chapters around, I
> certainly see the logic insofar as the Tutorial chapters are much more
> 'fun'/interesting to read (as they were to re-write).  However, there is
> probably a more compelling logic to walking through the UI
> systematically before diving into those tutorials, since at many points
> they embed the assumption that you know where to find a given menu item,
> or they only use the quickest shorthand (like "Go to Edit > Tracks >
> Split Track") rather than giving you screenshots or any more detailed
> guidance on the UI.  Further, at least in the ePub format where the menu
> is readily accessible, it's easy enough for the reader to skip straight
> to the tutorials if they choose to.  That is another reason, though, why
> having a TOC (and ideally a clickable one) is pretty vital for the PDF
> version too.
>
>
>
> Anyway, thanks again for your work on this.  If Rosalind can take a look
> at that Mac config stuff in the Record chapter, and if you know any
> magic you can do with the PDF-generate settings, then I think we're good
> to go for this iteration.
>
>
>
> Matt
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> *From:*Discuss <discuss-bounces at lists.flossmanuals.net
> <mailto:discuss-bounces at lists.flossmanuals.net>> on behalf of
> mick at flossmanuals.net <mailto:mick at flossmanuals.net>
> <mick at flossmanuals.net <mailto:mick at flossmanuals.net>>
> *Sent:* Saturday, January 27, 2018 4:09 AM
> *To:* discuss at lists.flossmanuals.net <mailto:discuss at lists.flossmanuals.net>
> *Subject:* Re: [FM Discuss] next steps on Audacity book
>
>
>
> Hi there,
>
>
>
> I've had a chance to review this, Great work!
>
>
>
> Just one thing I think needs to be looked at
>
>   * There's still a comment visible on Mac recording questions - it does
>     seem like this might need some simplification here
>
> Here are some thing I did.
>
>   * I've added 10px padding to table which I think helps.
>   * I've removed a legacy issue about linux recording issues.
>   * I've increased the max-width of image display to  800px ,
>     height:Auto to help with some image distortions. This seems to be
>     fine on screen but doesn't take for the pdf,
>
>
>
> I've generated pdfs and epubs here for testing too.
>
> http://objavi.booktype.pro:80/data/books/audacity-en-2018.01.27-11.59.46.epub
> <http://objavi.booktype.pro/data/books/audacity-en-2018.01.27-11.59.46.epub>
>
> http://objavi.booktype.pro:80/data/books/audacity-en-2018.01.27-12.00.12.pdf
> <http://objavi.booktype.pro/data/books/audacity-en-2018.01.27-12.00.12.pdf>
>
>
>
>
>
> More general feedback is that the chapter under tutorials look great.
> Good work.
>
> I would be tempted to move them right to the front of the book as a more
> task focused start, and to move installation and the explanations of the
> file menus in the appendix.
>
> That way the reader can get started trying things out right away. That's
> just a suggestion tho.
>
>
>
>
>
> Thanks
>
> Mick
>
>
>
>
>
> On 26/01/18 00:14, M R wrote:
>
>     Hi Martin:
>
>
>
>     It does need proofreading, as its been almost completely rewritten
>     as part of the update to 2.x.  Mick has offered to do that this
>     weekend, but a pair of fresh eyes probably wouldn't hurt either--as
>     long as Katou is reasonably expeditious, since we are trying to wrap
>     this up and get it republished so it can actually get to users.
>     Localization is another and certainly important issue: my only
>     working language (at the level of something like this manual) is
>     English, and if someone wanted to translate the revision into other
>     languages that would be a good thing, but also I think a separate
>     project.    Finally, I don't know if Katou has prior expertise with
>     Audacity, but if so, you could mention that this manual is far from
>     comprehensive, esp in the 'How to' or tutorial chapters, and there's
>     always opportunity to add in more chapters with additional
>     functionality.  Which would, again, though, be something we'd want
>     to address in a further iteration of the manual, not the imminent one.
>
>
>
>     Matt
>
>
>
>     ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
>     *From:*Discuss <discuss-bounces at lists.flossmanuals.net>
>     <mailto:discuss-bounces at lists.flossmanuals.net> on behalf of Martin
>     Kean <Martin.Kean at op.ac.nz> <mailto:Martin.Kean at op.ac.nz>
>     *Sent:* Thursday, January 25, 2018 4:01 PM
>     *To:* discuss at lists.flossmanuals.net
>     <mailto:discuss at lists.flossmanuals.net>
>     *Subject:* Re: [FM Discuss] next steps on Audacity book
>
>
>
>     Hi Maren and Matt,
>
>
>
>     I've just added Katou as a user, who is interested in proofreading
>     and localisation, along with writing and editing. Does the Audacity
>     manual need proofreading?
>
>
>
>     Username: katou
>
>     Email: katou at live.it <mailto:katou at live.it>
>
>
>
>     Thanks, Martin
>
>     ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
>     *From:*Discuss <discuss-bounces at lists.flossmanuals.net>
>     <mailto:discuss-bounces at lists.flossmanuals.net> on behalf of Maren
>     Hachmann <maren at goos-habermann.de> <mailto:maren at goos-habermann.de>
>     *Sent:* Friday, 26 January 2018 3:35:58 a.m.
>     *To:* discuss at lists.flossmanuals.net
>     <mailto:discuss at lists.flossmanuals.net>
>     *Subject:* Re: [FM Discuss] next steps on Audacity book
>
>
>
>     Yes, same URL - maybe something with your browser cache not refreshing?
>
>     Maren
>
>     Am 25.01.2018 um 09:04 schrieb Mick Chesterman:
>     > Great but strange.
>     >
>     > What URL are you testing
>     > I was testing here where it is still 12px for me on Firefox
>     > http://write.flossmanuals.net/start-with-inkscape/test-chapter-for-trying-out-styling/
>
>
>     /chapter: Test-Chapter-For-Trying-Out-Styling / Start with ...
>     <http://write.flossmanuals.net/start-with-inkscape/test-chapter-for-trying-out-styling/>
>
>     write.flossmanuals.net
>
>     Test Chapter (for trying out styling) This chapter is meant for
>     trying out how to best style the book. This is a keyboard shortcut:
>     Ctrl + A. This is a special note ...
>
>
>
>     >
>     > Thanks
>     > Mick
>     >> -----Original Message-----
>     >> From: Discuss [mailto:discuss-bounces at lists.flossmanuals.net] On Behalf Of
>     >> Maren Hachmann
>     >> Sent: 24 January 2018 21:34
>     >> To: discuss at lists.flossmanuals.net <mailto:discuss at lists.flossmanuals.net>
>     >> Subject: Re: [FM Discuss] next steps on Audacity book
>     >>
>     >> I don't see any problems, it seemst to have worked just fine, see screenshot.
>     >>
>     >> Thank you very much, Mick!
>     >>
>     >> Maren
>     >>
>     >> Am 24.01.2018 um 21:33 schrieb Rosalind Lord:
>     >>> Mick, would you like me to help with this? I have lots of experience
>     >>> coding HTML and CSS.
>     >>>
>     >>> - Rosalind
>     >>>
>     >>>> On Jan 23, 2018, at 11:59 PM, Mick Chesterman
>     >> <M.Chesterman at mmu.ac.uk <mailto:M.Chesterman at mmu.ac.uk>
>     >>>> <mailto:M.Chesterman at mmu.ac.uk>> wrote:
>     >>>>
>     >>>> Hi there,
>     >>>>
>     >>>> I've added an override but it doesn't seem to have taken.
>     >>>> Can you start a ticket here and let's try to solve this together.
>     >>>> https://gitlab.com/flossmanuals/fm_booktype/issues
>     >>>>
>     >>>> Thanks
>     >>>> Mick
>     >>>>
>     >>>>> -----Original Message-----
>     >>>>> From: Discuss [mailto:discuss-bounces at lists.flossmanuals.net] On
>     >>>>> Behalf Of Maren Hachmann
>     >>>>> Sent: 23 January 2018 23:16
>     >>>>> To: discuss at lists.flossmanuals.net <mailto:discuss at lists.flossmanuals.net>
>     >>>>> <mailto:discuss at lists.flossmanuals.net>
>     >>>>> Subject: Re: [FM Discuss] next steps on Audacity book
>     >>>>>
>     >>>>> Piggy-backing, as I've got a CSS change request, too:
>     >>>>> The font size for ordered / unordered lists is too small by default
>     >>>>> (12px instead of 13px for all other text in a manual), because the
>     >>>>> lists are not wrapped in paragraphs (which have a font size of 13),
>     >>>>> and inherit the body font size.
>     >>>>>
>     >>>>> As this doesn't only affect the Inkscape guide, but all books on the
>     >>>>> site, and all lists in them, it needs to be fixed on server level.
>     >>>>> Fixing each list individually, and thus having inline styles that
>     >>>>> might mess up exporting would be possible, but tedious and ugly.
>     >>>>>
>     >>>>> Could you please set the font size for lists inside the content area
>     >>>>> to 13, too?
>     >>>>>
>     >>>>> CSS to modify, starting line 1574 in booki.css:
>     >>>>>
>     >>>>> #full-view-content p, #bookcontent p, #bookcontent ol, #bookcontent
>     >>>>> ul {
>     >>>>> font-size: 13px;
>     >>>>> line-height: 140%;
>     >>>>> margin: 1em 0;
>     >>>>> padding: 0;
>     >>>>> }
>     >>>>>
>     >>>>> Thanks,
>     >>>>> Maren
>     >>>>>
>     >>>>> Am 23.01.2018 um 04:31 schrieb M R:
>     >>>>>> Thanks, Mick -- the weekend would be fine with me.  Maybe best to
>     >>>>>> have someone who has some familiarity with the old book, and in
>     >>>>>> general with the folkways of FM.
>     >>>>>>
>     >>>>>>
>     >>>>>> I may have mentioned this before, but there's one specific
>     >>>>>> formatting issue I'd like you (or whoever reviews) to consider,
>     >>>>>> aside from whatever else comes up.  In the Menu Bar chapter there
>     >>>>>> is extensive use of tables to hold the menu information.  As I did
>     >>>>>> wherever possible, here I preserved the formatting from the
>     >>>>>> original book, where these tables were set to zero cell padding and
>     >>>>>> no border.  This worked well enough in the original version, when
>     >>>>>> each cell entry was at most a single sentence in length, and it
>     >>>>>> resulted in a nice clean design.  However, Audacity 2.x's much more
>     >>>>>> extensive use of submenus forced me to make considerably longer
>     >>>>>> entries in some of those table cells, and I'm not certain how
>     >>>>>> readable the end result is for some tables.  I think the solution
>     >>>>>> would be pretty straightforward: either adding a bit of cell padding to
>     >> each table, or adding a narrow border.
>     >>>>>> But I didn't want to go either way without consultation.  I don't
>     >>>>>> think this issue afflicts any chapter beyond the Menu Bar ch.
>     >>>>>>
>     >>>>>>
>     >>>>>> Matt
>     >>>>>>
>     >>>>>>
>     >>>>>>
>     >>>>>> -------------------------------------------------------------------
>     >>>>>> -----
>     >>>>>> *From:* Discuss <discuss-bounces at lists.flossmanuals.net
>     <mailto:discuss-bounces at lists.flossmanuals.net>
>     >>>>>> <mailto:discuss-bounces at lists.flossmanuals.net>> on behalf of Mick
>     >>>>>> Chesterman <M.Chesterman at mmu.ac.uk <mailto:M.Chesterman at mmu.ac.uk>
>     >> <mailto:M.Chesterman at mmu.ac.uk>>
>     >>>>>> *Sent:* Monday, January 22, 2018 1:00 AM
>     >>>>>> *To:* discuss at lists.flossmanuals.net <mailto:discuss at lists.flossmanuals.net>
>     >>>>>> <mailto:discuss at lists.flossmanuals.net>
>     >>>>>> *Subject:* Re: [FM Discuss] next steps on Audacity book
>     >>>>>>
>     >>>>>>
>     >>>>>> HI there,
>     >>>>>>
>     >>>>>>
>     >>>>>>
>     >>>>>> This sounds good. Can  anyone step forward to have a look over the
>     >>>>>> Audacity manual before we do a pdf and epub print for the front page?
>     >>>>>>
>     >>>>>> I can do it at the weekend if not.
>     >>>>>>
>     >>>>>>
>     >>>>>>
>     >>>>>> Thanks
>     >>>>>>
>     >>>>>> Mick
>     >>>>>>
>     >>>>>>
>     >>>>>>
>     >>>>>>
>     >>>>>>
>     >>>>>> Mick Chesterman
>     >>>>>>
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>     >>>>>>
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>     >>>>>>
>     >>>>>> *From:*Discuss [mailto:discuss-bounces at lists.flossmanuals.net] *On
>     >>>>>> Behalf Of *M R
>     >>>>>> *Sent:* 18 January 2018 21:05
>     >>>>>> *To:* discuss at lists.flossmanuals.net <mailto:discuss at lists.flossmanuals.net>
>     >>>>>> <mailto:discuss at lists.flossmanuals.net>
>     >>>>>> *Subject:* Re: [FM Discuss] next steps on Audacity book
>     >>>>>>
>     >>>>>>
>     >>>>>>
>     >>>>>> Mick:
>     >>>>>>
>     >>>>>>
>     >>>>>>
>     >>>>>> It looks to me like other folks have finished adding in their
>     >>>>>> pieces to the non-Windows sections of the manual re-write, so
>     >>>>>> whenever you get a chance at some quality control (just because I
>     >>>>>> assume that someone needs to, who hasn't been a
>     >>>>>> writer-contributor), then we can wrap this up and get it published,
>     >>>>>> to start helping whoever out there might actually want to use it.
>     >>>>>>
>     >>>>>>
>     >>>>>>
>     >>>>>> Actually, I suppose someone else could handle the review too -- not
>     >>>>>> sure what the protocol is here.  But I just wanted to make sure
>     >>>>>> this stays in the queue as a near-term task.  I assume we all have
>     >>>>>> day jobs 😊(I'm a college professor so I was just on holiday break
>     >>>>>> -- that's why I could find 50 hrs or so to do the bulk of the rewrite).
>     >>>>>>
>     >>>>>>
>     >>>>>>
>     >>>>>> thanks,
>     >>>>>>
>     >>>>>>
>     >>>>>>
>     >>>>>> Matt
>     >>>>>>
>     >>>>>>
>     >>>>>>
>     >>>>>> -------------------------------------------------------------------
>     >>>>>> -----
>     >>>>>>
>     >>>>>> *From:*Discuss <discuss-bounces at lists.flossmanuals.net
>     <mailto:discuss-bounces at lists.flossmanuals.net>
>     >>>>>> <mailto:discuss-bounces at lists.flossmanuals.net>
>     >>>>>> <mailto:discuss-bounces at lists.flossmanuals.net>> on behalf of Mick
>     >>>>>> Chesterman <M.Chesterman at mmu.ac.uk <mailto:M.Chesterman at mmu.ac.uk>
>     >> <mailto:M.Chesterman at mmu.ac.uk>
>     >>>>> <mailto:M.Chesterman at mmu.ac.uk>>
>     >>>>>> *Sent:* Friday, January 12, 2018 4:12 AM
>     >>>>>> *To:* discuss at lists.flossmanuals.net <mailto:discuss at lists.flossmanuals.net>
>     >>>>>> <mailto:discuss at lists.flossmanuals.net>
>     >>>>> <mailto:discuss at lists.flossmanuals.net>
>     >>>>>> *Subject:* Re: [FM Discuss] next steps on Audacity book
>     >>>>>>
>     >>>>>>
>     >>>>>>
>     >>>>>> To exit  chapter titles you just double click into the title on the
>     >>>>>> chapter list screen.
>     >>>>>>
>     >>>>>>
>     >>>>>>
>     >>>>>>
>     >>>>>>
>     >>>>>> *From:*Discuss <discuss-bounces at lists.flossmanuals.net
>     <mailto:discuss-bounces at lists.flossmanuals.net>
>     >>>>>> <mailto:discuss-bounces at lists.flossmanuals.net>
>     >>>>>> <mailto:discuss-bounces at lists.flossmanuals.net>> on behalf of M R
>     >>>>>> <matrobnew at hotmail.com <mailto:matrobnew at hotmail.com>
>     <mailto:matrobnew at hotmail.com>
>     >>>>>> <mailto:matrobnew at hotmail.com>>
>     >>>>>>
>     >>>>>> *Sent:*12 January 2018 10:55
>     >>>>>> *To:* discuss at lists.flossmanuals.net <mailto:discuss at lists.flossmanuals.net>
>     >>>>>> <mailto:discuss at lists.flossmanuals.net>
>     >>>>> <mailto:discuss at lists.flossmanuals.net>
>     >>>>>> *Subject:* Re: [FM Discuss] next steps on Audacity book
>     >>>>>>
>     >>>>>>
>     >>>>>>
>     >>>>>> I actually wanted to edit some of the other chapter TITLES a bit,
>     >>>>>> but couldn't figure out a way to do that.  No big deal though, as
>     >>>>>> the current titles will serve.  I did drag one entire chapter out
>     >>>>>> of the to-be-published structure and down to the bottom: that was
>     >>>>>> "MP3 INSTALLATION ON WINDOWS" bc it's no longer necessary to
>     >>>>>> install the
>     >>>>> LAME
>     >>>>>> MP3 codec separately.  Just one of many ways that Audacity has
>     >>>>>> gotten more user-friendly over the years.
>     >>>>>>
>     >>>>>>
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