From mick at flossmanuals.net Tue Nov 13 05:15:17 2018 From: mick at flossmanuals.net (mick at flossmanuals.net) Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2018 13:15:17 +0000 Subject: [FM Discuss] Archiving most of the books on write.flossmanuals.net - and how to do it. Message-ID: <08916508-aab0-e217-8597-024bc8d2b327@flossmanuals.net> Hi there, This was a point that came up at the last FLOSS Manuals meeting. The proposal was to archive most of the FLOSS Manuals content in the process of moving to a new Booktype 2.x installation apart from active or most valued ones , and for me to come up with a suggestion on how to do that. I've got a suggestion which is... * Pick at top 20 of manuals which we would like to promote and try to keep updated. * Migrate those and any that have changed significantly since the last migration to the current write.flossmanuals.net * Update the web links of older manuals to point to the relevant part of http://archive.flossmanuals.net/ for example one like http://archive.flossmanuals.net/ffmpeg2theora/ I actually think this could be a really positive thing, we get loads of hits still, and lots of requests to get involved as volunteers but it's not always clear where to get them started. I think this kind of focus could really help. I'm not sure the best way to pick the top 20 odd manuals however, any suggestions? Thanks Mick -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From tasha.s.chin at gmail.com Tue Nov 13 06:22:25 2018 From: tasha.s.chin at gmail.com (Tasha Chin) Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2018 06:22:25 -0800 Subject: [FM Discuss] Hello! Small introduction. Message-ID: Hi everyone, My name's Tasha and I'm a recent bootcamp graduate trying to break into the tech writing industry. I'd love to help participate in creating manuals or find someone who'd be willing to help mentor me. I've a certificate in technical writing from Cal State East Bay and I'm most familiar with Python. I've some experience with bash scripting and technologies like Docker. Hope to hear from you all and join the "write" section of the site! -- Tasha Chin tasha.s.chin at gmail.com p. 510.604.0755 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From helen at creative-catalyst.com Wed Nov 14 13:53:23 2018 From: helen at creative-catalyst.com (Helen Varley Jamieson) Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2018 10:53:23 +1300 Subject: [FM Discuss] Archiving most of the books on write.flossmanuals.net - and how to do it. In-Reply-To: <08916508-aab0-e217-8597-024bc8d2b327@flossmanuals.net> References: <08916508-aab0-e217-8597-024bc8d2b327@flossmanuals.net> Message-ID: hmm, i'm not sure about that one either. is there a way to see which are the most viewed? probably the UpStage manual doesn't need to be archived, as we have old versions on the website (i think ... we used to ... ) & i don't think anyone out there is using the old versions anyway. & hopefully in the not too distant future we are going to have a completely shiny new improved platform! :) h : ) On 14.11.2018 02:15, mick at flossmanuals.net wrote: > > Hi there, > > This was a point that came up at the last FLOSS Manuals meeting. > > The proposal was to archive most of the FLOSS Manuals content in the > process of moving to a new Booktype 2.x installation apart from active > or most valued ones , and for me to come up with a suggestion on how > to do that. > I've got a suggestion which is... > > * Pick at top 20 of manuals which we would like to promote and try > to keep updated. > * Migrate those and any that have changed significantly since the > last migration to the current write.flossmanuals.net > * Update the web links of older manuals to point to the relevant > part of http://archive.flossmanuals.net/ for example one like > http://archive.flossmanuals.net/ffmpeg2theora/ > > I actually think this could be a really positive thing, we get loads > of hits still, and lots of requests to get involved as volunteers but > it's not always clear where to get them started. > I think this kind of focus could really help. > > I'm not sure the best way to pick the top 20 odd manuals however, any > suggestions? > > Thanks > Mick > > > > _______________________________________________ > Discuss mailing list > Discuss at lists.flossmanuals.net > http://lists.flossmanuals.net/listinfo.cgi/discuss-flossmanuals.net - you can unsubscribe here -- helen varley jamieson helen at creative-catalyst.com http://www.creative-catalyst.com http://www.upstage.org.nz -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From mick at flossmanuals.net Mon Nov 19 00:56:20 2018 From: mick at flossmanuals.net (Mick Chesterman) Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2018 08:56:20 +0000 Subject: [FM Discuss] Archiving most of the books on write.flossmanuals.net - and how to do it. In-Reply-To: References: <08916508-aab0-e217-8597-024bc8d2b327@flossmanuals.net> Message-ID: <738b2647-de82-7e62-b18b-8285252e7256@flossmanuals.net> On 14/11/2018 21:53, Helen Varley Jamieson wrote: > > hmm, i'm not sure about that one either. is there a way to see which > are the most viewed? > Not really, :( Also, thinking about it a bit it may be more tactical to make a decision based on what is most likely to attract editors and avoid duplication of effort and help build on the existing community. I was also thinking that the manuals that seem to date best are the ones for established media / art / sound making tools rather than for Interent Security ones. For example the one on digital art foundations has probably dated better than the ones on Interent Security. http://write.flossmanuals.net/digital-foundations/introduction/ Certainly, it's a great time to nominate one or more manuals to "look after" if you are friendly member of the FM community and would like to maintain a manual by doing some updates or even by providing direction to some of the many volunteers we get. Just email me if with a manuals of choice if you are interested in doing that. Thanks Mick > probably the UpStage manual doesn't need to be archived, as we have > old versions on the website (i think ... we used to ... ) & i don't > think anyone out there is using the old versions anyway. & hopefully > in the not too distant future we are going to have a completely shiny > new improved platform! :) > > h : ) > > > On 14.11.2018 02:15, mick at flossmanuals.net wrote: >> >> Hi there, >> >> This was a point that came up at the last FLOSS Manuals meeting. >> >> The proposal was to archive most of the FLOSS Manuals content in the >> process of moving to a new Booktype 2.x installation apart from >> active or most valued ones , and for me to come up with a suggestion >> on how to do that. >> I've got a suggestion which is... >> >> * Pick at top 20 of manuals which we would like to promote and try >> to keep updated. >> * Migrate those and any that have changed significantly since the >> last migration to the current write.flossmanuals.net >> * Update the web links of older manuals to point to the relevant >> part of http://archive.flossmanuals.net/ for example one like >> http://archive.flossmanuals.net/ffmpeg2theora/ >> >> I actually think this could be a really positive thing, we get loads >> of hits still, and lots of requests to get involved as volunteers but >> it's not always clear where to get them started. >> I think this kind of focus could really help. >> >> I'm not sure the best way to pick the top 20 odd manuals however, any >> suggestions? >> >> Thanks >> Mick >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Discuss mailing list >> Discuss at lists.flossmanuals.net >> http://lists.flossmanuals.net/listinfo.cgi/discuss-flossmanuals.net - you can unsubscribe here > > -- > > helen varley jamieson > > helen at creative-catalyst.com > http://www.creative-catalyst.com > http://www.upstage.org.nz > > > _______________________________________________ > Discuss mailing list > Discuss at lists.flossmanuals.net > http://lists.flossmanuals.net/listinfo.cgi/discuss-flossmanuals.net - you can unsubscribe here -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From mick at flossmanuals.net Mon Nov 19 00:57:47 2018 From: mick at flossmanuals.net (Mick Chesterman) Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2018 08:57:47 +0000 Subject: [FM Discuss] Hello! Small introduction. In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <5387bdfb-42a6-7807-69c3-a065d76d291b@flossmanuals.net> Hi Tasha, Thanks for this offer! I'm wondering if Andy O could maybe use your expertise for the update to the Command Line manual? Thanks Mick On 13/11/2018 14:22, Tasha Chin wrote: > Hi everyone, > > My name's Tasha and I'm a recent bootcamp graduate trying to break > into the tech writing industry. I'd love to help participate in > creating manuals or find someone who'd be willing to help mentor me. > > I've a certificate in technical writing from Cal State East Bay and > I'm most familiar with Python. I've some experience with bash > scripting and technologies like Docker. > > Hope to hear from you all and join the "write" section of the site! > -- > Tasha Chin > tasha.s.chin at gmail.com > p. 510.604.0755 > > _______________________________________________ > Discuss mailing list > Discuss at lists.flossmanuals.net > http://lists.flossmanuals.net/listinfo.cgi/discuss-flossmanuals.net - you can unsubscribe here -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From matrobnew at hotmail.com Mon Nov 19 14:15:15 2018 From: matrobnew at hotmail.com (M R) Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2018 22:15:15 +0000 Subject: [FM Discuss] Archiving most of the books on write.flossmanuals.net - and how to do it. In-Reply-To: <738b2647-de82-7e62-b18b-8285252e7256@flossmanuals.net> References: <08916508-aab0-e217-8597-024bc8d2b327@flossmanuals.net> , <738b2647-de82-7e62-b18b-8285252e7256@flossmanuals.net> Message-ID: Hi Mick: Just now paying attention to this thread. Obviously I think my Shotcut manual should make the top 20 ?, as it's an all-new write from early this year (and I'd certainly argue that Shotcut is one of two leading opensource vid editors). And I don't think anyone would dispute that Audacity is easily the leading open-source sound editor. I know someone wanted to do an(other) big re-write of that one earlier this year, on top of my update; not sure if that ever happened as I seem to still see my version on the site; but in any case Audacity surely makes the cut for the migration. Let me know if there's anything I should be doing on these to assist. Best, Matt ________________________________ From: Discuss on behalf of Mick Chesterman Sent: Monday, November 19, 2018 2:56 AM To: discuss at lists.flossmanuals.net Subject: Re: [FM Discuss] Archiving most of the books on write.flossmanuals.net - and how to do it. On 14/11/2018 21:53, Helen Varley Jamieson wrote: hmm, i'm not sure about that one either. is there a way to see which are the most viewed? Not really, :( Also, thinking about it a bit it may be more tactical to make a decision based on what is most likely to attract editors and avoid duplication of effort and help build on the existing community. I was also thinking that the manuals that seem to date best are the ones for established media / art / sound making tools rather than for Interent Security ones. For example the one on digital art foundations has probably dated better than the ones on Interent Security. http://write.flossmanuals.net/digital-foundations/introduction/ /chapter: Introduction / Digital Foundations - FLOSS Manuals write.flossmanuals.net Introduction This book was written by two artist educators who teach digital art and design studio foundation classes. While teaching classes that take place in software laboratories, we noticed that many of our students expected to learn to use software, but gave little consideration to aesthetics or art and design history. Certainly, it's a great time to nominate one or more manuals to "look after" if you are friendly member of the FM community and would like to maintain a manual by doing some updates or even by providing direction to some of the many volunteers we get. Just email me if with a manuals of choice if you are interested in doing that. Thanks Mick probably the UpStage manual doesn't need to be archived, as we have old versions on the website (i think ... we used to ... ) & i don't think anyone out there is using the old versions anyway. & hopefully in the not too distant future we are going to have a completely shiny new improved platform! :) h : ) On 14.11.2018 02:15, mick at flossmanuals.net wrote: Hi there, This was a point that came up at the last FLOSS Manuals meeting. The proposal was to archive most of the FLOSS Manuals content in the process of moving to a new Booktype 2.x installation apart from active or most valued ones , and for me to come up with a suggestion on how to do that. I've got a suggestion which is... * Pick at top 20 of manuals which we would like to promote and try to keep updated. * Migrate those and any that have changed significantly since the last migration to the current write.flossmanuals.net * Update the web links of older manuals to point to the relevant part of http://archive.flossmanuals.net/ for example one like http://archive.flossmanuals.net/ffmpeg2theora/ I actually think this could be a really positive thing, we get loads of hits still, and lots of requests to get involved as volunteers but it's not always clear where to get them started. I think this kind of focus could really help. I'm not sure the best way to pick the top 20 odd manuals however, any suggestions? Thanks Mick _______________________________________________ Discuss mailing list Discuss at lists.flossmanuals.net http://lists.flossmanuals.net/listinfo.cgi/discuss-flossmanuals.net - you can unsubscribe here -- helen varley jamieson helen at creative-catalyst.com http://www.creative-catalyst.com http://www.upstage.org.nz _______________________________________________ Discuss mailing list Discuss at lists.flossmanuals.net http://lists.flossmanuals.net/listinfo.cgi/discuss-flossmanuals.net - you can unsubscribe here -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From M.Chesterman at mmu.ac.uk Tue Nov 20 00:00:50 2018 From: M.Chesterman at mmu.ac.uk (Mick Chesterman) Date: Tue, 20 Nov 2018 08:00:50 +0000 Subject: [FM Discuss] Archiving most of the books on write.flossmanuals.net - and how to do it. In-Reply-To: References: <08916508-aab0-e217-8597-024bc8d2b327@flossmanuals.net> , <738b2647-de82-7e62-b18b-8285252e7256@flossmanuals.net> Message-ID: Hi Matt, Yes to both of those! I would agree that those would be in the top 20! I?ve been looking around for replacements to the Mozilla etherpad that we usually borrow for FM. But can?t seem to find a quick alternative and didn?t fancy doing an install of nextcloud and getting libre office installed on the server quite yet! So here?s a pad to put in our favourite for migration / promotion. https://public.etherpad-mozilla.org/p/Fm-top20 Thanks Mick From: Discuss On Behalf Of M R Sent: 19 November 2018 22:15 To: discuss at lists.flossmanuals.net Subject: Re: [FM Discuss] Archiving most of the books on write.flossmanuals.net - and how to do it. Hi Mick: Just now paying attention to this thread. Obviously I think my Shotcut manual should make the top 20 ?, as it's an all-new write from early this year (and I'd certainly argue that Shotcut is one of two leading opensource vid editors). And I don't think anyone would dispute that Audacity is easily the leading open-source sound editor. I know someone wanted to do an(other) big re-write of that one earlier this year, on top of my update; not sure if that ever happened as I seem to still see my version on the site; but in any case Audacity surely makes the cut for the migration. Let me know if there's anything I should be doing on these to assist. Best, Matt ________________________________ From: Discuss > on behalf of Mick Chesterman > Sent: Monday, November 19, 2018 2:56 AM To: discuss at lists.flossmanuals.net Subject: Re: [FM Discuss] Archiving most of the books on write.flossmanuals.net - and how to do it. On 14/11/2018 21:53, Helen Varley Jamieson wrote: hmm, i'm not sure about that one either. is there a way to see which are the most viewed? Not really, :( Also, thinking about it a bit it may be more tactical to make a decision based on what is most likely to attract editors and avoid duplication of effort and help build on the existing community. I was also thinking that the manuals that seem to date best are the ones for established media / art / sound making tools rather than for Interent Security ones. For example the one on digital art foundations has probably dated better than the ones on Interent Security. http://write.flossmanuals.net/digital-foundations/introduction/ /chapter: Introduction / Digital Foundations - FLOSS Manuals write.flossmanuals.net Introduction This book was written by two artist educators who teach digital art and design studio foundation classes. While teaching classes that take place in software laboratories, we noticed that many of our students expected to learn to use software, but gave little consideration to aesthetics or art and design history. Certainly, it's a great time to nominate one or more manuals to "look after" if you are friendly member of the FM community and would like to maintain a manual by doing some updates or even by providing direction to some of the many volunteers we get. Just email me if with a manuals of choice if you are interested in doing that. Thanks Mick probably the UpStage manual doesn't need to be archived, as we have old versions on the website (i think ... we used to ... ) & i don't think anyone out there is using the old versions anyway. & hopefully in the not too distant future we are going to have a completely shiny new improved platform! :) h : ) On 14.11.2018 02:15, mick at flossmanuals.net wrote: Hi there, This was a point that came up at the last FLOSS Manuals meeting. The proposal was to archive most of the FLOSS Manuals content in the process of moving to a new Booktype 2.x installation apart from active or most valued ones , and for me to come up with a suggestion on how to do that. I've got a suggestion which is... * Pick at top 20 of manuals which we would like to promote and try to keep updated. * Migrate those and any that have changed significantly since the last migration to the current write.flossmanuals.net * Update the web links of older manuals to point to the relevant part of http://archive.flossmanuals.net/ for example one like http://archive.flossmanuals.net/ffmpeg2theora/ I actually think this could be a really positive thing, we get loads of hits still, and lots of requests to get involved as volunteers but it's not always clear where to get them started. I think this kind of focus could really help. I'm not sure the best way to pick the top 20 odd manuals however, any suggestions? Thanks Mick _______________________________________________ Discuss mailing list Discuss at lists.flossmanuals.net http://lists.flossmanuals.net/listinfo.cgi/discuss-flossmanuals.net - you can unsubscribe here -- helen varley jamieson helen at creative-catalyst.com http://www.creative-catalyst.com http://www.upstage.org.nz _______________________________________________ Discuss mailing list Discuss at lists.flossmanuals.net http://lists.flossmanuals.net/listinfo.cgi/discuss-flossmanuals.net - you can unsubscribe here "Before acting on this email or opening any attachments you should read the Manchester Metropolitan University email disclaimer available on its website http://www.mmu.ac.uk/emaildisclaimer " -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From mick at flossmanuals.net Tue Nov 20 01:15:05 2018 From: mick at flossmanuals.net (Mick Chesterman) Date: Tue, 20 Nov 2018 09:15:05 +0000 Subject: [FM Discuss] Online FM meeting Monday, 26 November 2018, 09:00 UTC - In-Reply-To: References: <08916508-aab0-e217-8597-024bc8d2b327@flossmanuals.net> <738b2647-de82-7e62-b18b-8285252e7256@flossmanuals.net> Message-ID: <6d931aa2-4eab-055f-dbf9-e8c4b11f116f@flossmanuals.net> Hi there, We said at the last FM meeting that we'd start to open up the meetings to wider members of the community. The time of the next meeting is Monday, 26 November 2018, 09:00 UTC - Please email me if you want to join us. It's worth saying that in general the movement of travel for FLOSS Manuals English is towards keeping a friendly and sustainable community going,? archiving and a stable preservation of the content and working with FLOSS Manuals French to provide a stable platform for volunteers and partner communites to write their own documentation. This is rather than trying to replicate previous FM activity of doing funded doc writing and organising sprints. However having said that we're open to people doing that if they have been involved as a volunteer for a while and build a working relationship. Thanks Mick From mick at flossmanuals.net Tue Nov 20 02:38:17 2018 From: mick at flossmanuals.net (Mick Chesterman) Date: Tue, 20 Nov 2018 10:38:17 +0000 Subject: [FM Discuss] Video from Adam on Booksprints and Floss Manuals. In-Reply-To: <6d931aa2-4eab-055f-dbf9-e8c4b11f116f@flossmanuals.net> References: <08916508-aab0-e217-8597-024bc8d2b327@flossmanuals.net> <738b2647-de82-7e62-b18b-8285252e7256@flossmanuals.net> <6d931aa2-4eab-055f-dbf9-e8c4b11f116f@flossmanuals.net> Message-ID: This is really interesting. Some reflection on Booksprints and past FLOSS Manuals work from Adam. https://www.adamhyde.net/fabriders-interview/ nice one Mick From helen at creative-catalyst.com Tue Nov 20 19:54:44 2018 From: helen at creative-catalyst.com (Helen Varley Jamieson) Date: Wed, 21 Nov 2018 16:54:44 +1300 Subject: [FM Discuss] Open Source Survey Message-ID: <635bf246-334d-7cd2-db16-07853bd4d5b7@creative-catalyst.com> hi, i just came across this: http://opensourcesurvey.org/2017/ first point in the summary is that "Documentation is highly valued, frequently overlooked, and a means for establishing inclusive and accessible communities." h : ) -- helen varley jamieson helen at creative-catalyst.com http://www.creative-catalyst.com http://www.upstage.org.nz