<html><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space; "><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; "><font face="Helvetica" size="3" style="font: 12.0px Helvetica">Hi All:</font></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; font: normal normal normal 12px/normal Helvetica; min-height: 14px; "><br></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; "><font face="Helvetica" size="3" style="font: 12.0px Helvetica">I've only just subscribed to this list so I apologize for butting into the conversation without having all of the context, but more than anything I just wanted to say how impressed I am with what an incredible resource you have all put together at <a href="http://flossmanuals.net/"><font color="#001ee6" style="color: #001ee6"><u>http://flossmanuals.net</u></font></a>.</font></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; font: normal normal normal 12px/normal Helvetica; min-height: 14px; "><br></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; "><font face="Helvetica" size="3" style="font: 12.0px Helvetica">I am heading a new citizen media outreach initiative at Global Voices [<a href="http://globalvoicesonline.org/"><font color="#001ee6" style="color: #001ee6"><u>http://globalvoicesonline.org</u></font></a>] and flossmanuals.net is exactly the resource we have needed to provide our project leaders with documentation for software like Audacity so that they can learn to create podcasts, etc.</font></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; font: normal normal normal 12px/normal Helvetica; min-height: 14px; "><br></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; "><font face="Helvetica" size="3" style="font: 12.0px Helvetica">A certain portion of our budget is reserved for translating both software and documentation into languages where it currently isn't available. Part of that money will probably be used to translate WordPress into languages like Aymara, Quechua, and Krio, but we'd also like to consider sponsoring what has been referred to in this email thread as "franchises" of FlossManuals in other languages.</font></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; font: normal normal normal 12px/normal Helvetica; min-height: 14px; "><br></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; "><font face="Helvetica" size="3" style="font: 12.0px Helvetica">I think that stipulating that those subdomain sites must license their comment either with a CC or GPL license makes sense. As far as hosting fees go, Dreamhost (<a href="http://dreamhost.com/"><font color="#001ee6" style="color: #001ee6"><u>http://dreamhost.com</u></font></a>) offers free hosting to US-based non-profits. So if FlossManuals (or any of the subdomain sites in other languages) become so popular that hosting fees are something to think about, it might make sense to register a sister US non-profit to take advantage of the free hosting.</font></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; font: normal normal normal 12px/normal Helvetica; min-height: 14px; "><br></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; "><font face="Helvetica" size="3" style="font: 12.0px Helvetica">Best,</font></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; font: normal normal normal 12px/normal Helvetica; min-height: 14px; "><br></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; "><font face="Helvetica" size="3" style="font: 12.0px Helvetica">David</font></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; font: normal normal normal 12px/normal Helvetica; min-height: 14px; "><br></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; font: normal normal normal 12px/normal Helvetica; min-height: 14px; "><br></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; font: normal normal normal 12px/normal Helvetica; min-height: 14px; "><br></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; "><font face="Helvetica" size="3" style="font: 12.0px Helvetica">~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~</font></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; "><font face="Helvetica" size="3" style="font: 12.0px Helvetica">David Sasaki | <a href="mailto:outreach@globalvoicesonline.org"><font color="#001ee6" style="color: #001ee6"><u>outreach@globalvoicesonline.org</u></font></a></font></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; "><font face="Helvetica" size="3" style="font: 12.0px Helvetica">Director of Outreach, Global Voices</font></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; "><font face="Helvetica" size="3" color="#001ee6" style="font: 12.0px Helvetica; color: #001ee6"><a href="http://globalvoicesonline.org/"><u>http://globalvoicesonline.org</u><u></u></a></font></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; "><font face="Helvetica" size="3" style="font: 12.0px Helvetica">gtalk: osopecoso | skype: elosopecoso</font></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; "><font face="Helvetica" size="3" style="font: 12.0px Helvetica">+1.510.717.8377 | <a href="http://el-oso.net/blog"><font color="#001ee6" style="color: #001ee6"><u>http://el-oso.net/blog</u></font></a></font></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; "><font face="Helvetica" size="3" style="font: 12.0px Helvetica">--------------------------------------------------</font></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; font: normal normal normal 12px/normal Helvetica; min-height: 14px; "><br></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; "><font face="Helvetica" size="3" style="font: 12.0px Helvetica">On Aug 13, 2007, at 4:17 AM, Julian Oliver wrote:</font></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; "><font face="Helvetica" size="3" color="#001cd5" style="font: 12.0px Helvetica; color: #001cd5">..on or around Mon, Aug 13, 2007 at 12:57:09PM +0200, adam hyde said:</font></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; font: normal normal normal 12px/normal Helvetica; color: rgb(45, 96, 26); min-height: 14px; "><br></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; "><font face="Helvetica" size="3" color="#480c09" style="font: 12.0px Helvetica; color: #480c09">i guess i'm not clear on the scope of what you mean by 'franchise'.</font></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; font: normal normal normal 12px/normal Helvetica; color: rgb(72, 12, 9); min-height: 14px; "><br></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; "><font face="Helvetica" size="3" color="#480c09" style="font: 12.0px Helvetica; color: #480c09">is this another way of saying a language fork? would they then also be </font></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; "><font face="Helvetica" size="3" color="#480c09" style="font: 12.0px Helvetica; color: #480c09">able to sell on the printed material and give the project a different name?</font></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; font: normal normal normal 12px/normal Helvetica; color: rgb(72, 12, 9); min-height: 14px; "><br></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; font: normal normal normal 12px/normal Helvetica; color: rgb(45, 96, 26); min-height: 14px; "><br></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; "><font face="Helvetica" size="3" color="#2d601a" style="font: 12.0px Helvetica; color: #2d601a">anyone can sell on the printed material, its all gpl so they can so as</font></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; "><font face="Helvetica" size="3" color="#2d601a" style="font: 12.0px Helvetica; color: #2d601a">they like. so the issue is really not about the content as such but</font></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; "><font face="Helvetica" size="3" color="#2d601a" style="font: 12.0px Helvetica; color: #2d601a">about spreading the fm meme (the higher the recognition of the logo etc</font></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; "><font face="Helvetica" size="3" color="#2d601a" style="font: 12.0px Helvetica; color: #2d601a">the more people that will access the manuals, consequently the more</font></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; "><font face="Helvetica" size="3" color="#2d601a" style="font: 12.0px Helvetica; color: #2d601a">people that can then use free software). </font></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; font: normal normal normal 12px/normal Helvetica; color: rgb(45, 96, 26); min-height: 14px; "><br></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; "><font face="Helvetica" size="3" color="#2d601a" style="font: 12.0px Helvetica; color: #2d601a">what i am suggesting is that languages are managed like a franchise. we</font></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; "><font face="Helvetica" size="3" color="#2d601a" style="font: 12.0px Helvetica; color: #2d601a">enter in an agreement with whoever wants to drive a lang site. then they</font></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; "><font face="Helvetica" size="3" color="#2d601a" style="font: 12.0px Helvetica; color: #2d601a">can use the logo, we help them set up a site based on the current fm</font></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; "><font face="Helvetica" size="3" color="#2d601a" style="font: 12.0px Helvetica; color: #2d601a">site (we would have to get a nice way to make the interface translation</font></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; "><font face="Helvetica" size="3" color="#2d601a" style="font: 12.0px Helvetica; color: #2d601a">a bit smoother) etc, but they have to cover their own costs (server</font></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; "><font face="Helvetica" size="3" color="#2d601a" style="font: 12.0px Helvetica; color: #2d601a">hosting etc) and if they get off track we can pull the use of the</font></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; "><font face="Helvetica" size="3" color="#2d601a" style="font: 12.0px Helvetica; color: #2d601a">logo...i posted a longer version in an earlier email but thas the gist</font></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; "><font face="Helvetica" size="3" color="#2d601a" style="font: 12.0px Helvetica; color: #2d601a">of it</font></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; font: normal normal normal 12px/normal Helvetica; color: rgb(45, 96, 26); min-height: 14px; "><br></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; "><font face="Helvetica" size="3" color="#2d601a" style="font: 12.0px Helvetica; color: #2d601a">it means we can keep an eye on the idealogy and quality but allow a</font></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; "><font face="Helvetica" size="3" color="#2d601a" style="font: 12.0px Helvetica; color: #2d601a">language to pretty much go in their own direction - make manual</font></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; "><font face="Helvetica" size="3" color="#2d601a" style="font: 12.0px Helvetica; color: #2d601a">appropriate to their language etc...if they stray from our agreement by</font></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; "><font face="Helvetica" size="3" color="#2d601a" style="font: 12.0px Helvetica; color: #2d601a">compromising the quality - eg. they really make useless manuals - or the</font></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; "><font face="Helvetica" size="3" color="#2d601a" style="font: 12.0px Helvetica; color: #2d601a">idealogy - eg. they reliencse material with a standard copyright 'all</font></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; "><font face="Helvetica" size="3" color="#2d601a" style="font: 12.0px Helvetica; color: #2d601a">rights reserved' - then we kill their franchise which really means they</font></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; "><font face="Helvetica" size="3" color="#2d601a" style="font: 12.0px Helvetica; color: #2d601a">can no longer use the logo </font></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; font: normal normal normal 12px/normal Helvetica; color: rgb(0, 28, 213); min-height: 14px; "><br></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; "><font face="Helvetica" size="3" color="#001cd5" style="font: 12.0px Helvetica; color: #001cd5">well that all sounds fine to me. this would mean of course franchising </font></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; "><font face="Helvetica" size="3" color="#001cd5" style="font: 12.0px Helvetica; color: #001cd5">couldn't support manuals released on FM under a CC-non-commerical or similarly </font></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; 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