Walter, this is a perfect start - since I haven't run the 8.20 version yet, this is a great starting point for me, and it contains good examples of how to give hardware hints. Thanks for sharing. I'll be able to walk through <a href="http://en.flossmanuals.net/olpc_simple">http://en.flossmanuals.net/olpc_simple</a> with your non-OLPC example in mind, thanks.<br>
<br>Anne<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Wed, Jul 9, 2008 at 11:29 AM, Walter Bender <<a href="mailto:walter.bender@gmail.com">walter.bender@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">
<div class="Ih2E3d">> David or Walter, do you have time for a Skype chat this week?<br>
</div>I'm available most any time tomorrow (Thursday).<br>
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> Or shall we talk about this at a Thursday con call? Any time but 10 am CST or 4 pm CST works for me.<br>
</div>Ditto.<br>
<br>
BTW, I've made a rough draft of the 8.20 version of Sugar<br>
getting-started in a somewhat non-OLPC-centric way:<br>
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<a href="http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/User:Walter/sandbox" target="_blank">http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/User:Walter/sandbox</a><br>
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On Wed, Jul 9, 2008 at 9:55 AM, Anne Gentle <<a href="mailto:annegentle@gmail.com">annegentle@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br>
> Hi again everyone -<br>
> I'm feeling déjà vu. :) We had the same discussions last year trying to meet<br>
> a ship deadline and some volunteers got really burned out trying to get a<br>
> finalized English version in time for about 8 translations... the effort was<br>
> intense, but not long lasting, and now here we are again. :)<br>
><br>
> I agree that we meet the Aug 10th deadline by distinctly defining what it is<br>
> that ships on that date. I would say that a PDF or HTML English version that<br>
> ships with Sugar is a good goal for starters. How can I find out what needs<br>
> to be different about the current manual? What are our priorities for<br>
> additional content? Which Activities are highest priority? David or Walter,<br>
> do you have time for a Skype chat this week? Or shall we talk about this at<br>
> a Thursday con call? Any time but 10 am CST or 4 pm CST works for me.<br>
><br>
> Adam, I'll take a first crack at creating chapters, and I was just going to<br>
> ask you how best to structure the Activity docs/chapters in a way you think<br>
> they'd work well in FM... do you have the time for a Skype chat after your<br>
> book sprint work is done today? (so sorry this activity is overlapping so<br>
> much! You must be getting whiplash!) :)<br>
><br>
> Could we use the <a href="http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/DocumentationTeam" target="_blank">http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/DocumentationTeam</a> page to<br>
> start mapping out who could take which chapters?<br>
><br>
> Here are my ideas, and I'll also put this on the wiki page<br>
> * Write Getting started guide updates for the changes in the build, ensuring<br>
> the hardware dependencies are lifted.<br>
> * Write Activities individual chapters (or books?) heavily tutorial-scenario<br>
> based. Christoph, thanks so much for working on Record.<br>
><br>
> Audience is kids and teachers. While programmer doc is listed on the<br>
> documentation page, I think FM has a different audience in mind. Let me know<br>
> if that needs to change.<br>
><br>
> Please let me know if that's enough focus for now and I'll start building<br>
> scaffolding after getting clarity at Thursday's meeting.<br>
><br>
> Thanks,<br>
> Anne<br>
><br>
><br>
> On Wed, Jul 9, 2008 at 5:07 AM, adam hyde <<a href="mailto:adam@flossmanuals.net">adam@flossmanuals.net</a>> wrote:<br>
>><br>
>> my preference is that we bite off something digestable....<br>
>><br>
>> I would recommend that we meet the aug deadline for shipping the docs by<br>
>> doing work on irc and...shock horror....the web! ;) we have the<br>
>> tools...we could then structure docs in fm (floss manuals) and assign<br>
>> chapters all via irc/email. Anne knows the tools well and can set up the<br>
>> manuals according to spec and then we start writing immediately...some<br>
>> of us could contribute also from Wikimania (I will be there as I expect<br>
>> Mako will be and there surely will be an OLPC/Sugar presence like last<br>
>> year)<br>
>><br>
>> then the booksprint still happens but it is a concentrated blast, and an<br>
>> effort to consolidate the working collaborations to better ensure<br>
>> ongoing commitment to the docs and a good opportunity to get everyone<br>
>> heading in the same direction<br>
>><br>
>> also... can I suggest that we keep this on the FM Discuss Mailing list<br>
>> <a href="http://lists.flossmanuals.net/listinfo.cgi/discuss-flossmanuals.net" target="_blank">http://lists.flossmanuals.net/listinfo.cgi/discuss-flossmanuals.net</a><br>
>><br>
>> I think we are dropping people out of the conversation accidentally with<br>
>> these cc lists.<br>
>><br>
>> adam<br>
>><br>
>><br>
>><br>
>><br>
>><br>
>><br>
>><br>
>><br>
>> On Tue, 2008-07-08 at 22:21 -0700, Edward Cherlin wrote:<br>
>> > On Tue, Jul 8, 2008 at 10:11 PM, Seth Woodworth <<a href="mailto:seth@laptop.org">seth@laptop.org</a>> wrote:<br>
>> > ><br>
>> > ><br>
>> > > On Tue, Jul 8, 2008 at 11:38 PM, David Farning<br>
>> > > <<a href="mailto:dfarning@sugarlabs.org">dfarning@sugarlabs.org</a>><br>
>> > > wrote:<br>
>> > >><br>
>> > >> Seems like we have support for the idea of a book sprint.<br>
>> > >><br>
>> > >> Considerations:<br>
>> > >> Time - Version .82 will be released Aug 10th. Is it worth it to try<br>
>> > >> to<br>
>> > >> hit that release date? As much as I would like to say yes, we should<br>
>> > >> not push things too fast. My key goal in setting up the sprint is to<br>
>> > >> create a _concrete_ event where people can come together to and help<br>
>> > >> OLPC. Let's take our time and use this as a test run at community.<br>
>> > ><br>
>> > > As much as I would like a complete set of documentation for Sugar, if<br>
>> > > we can<br>
>> > > get the event done sooner it can ship on thousands of G1G1 machines.<br>
>> > > This<br>
>> > > is an important consideration. Can we make a list of who could make<br>
>> > > it to<br>
>> > > Boston in a very short period of time for a Sprint and decide from<br>
>> > > there?<br>
>> ><br>
>> > Let's look at it another way. How much needs to be done to get<br>
>> > something ready for this release and shipment? How inaccurate is the<br>
>> > current manual?<br>
>> ><br>
>> > Can we do that task online, starting right away, and then have the<br>
>> > sprint for whatever is appropriate after that? I can rearrange my own<br>
>> > schedule somewhat to accommodate an important rush project.<br>
>> ><br>
>> > >> Location - Seth mentioned the availability of space at the OLPC's<br>
>> > >> offices. That would be great if it were possible. The marketing<br>
>> > >> angle<br>
>> > >> of volunteers coming together to olpc's offices for a sprint would be<br>
>> > >> great.<br>
>> > ><br>
>> > > One way or another, locations will be had here in Boston. Kim<br>
>> > > approved<br>
>> > > support for the event at the 1cc office so long as both conference<br>
>> > > rooms<br>
>> > > aren't booked. And even spilling over onto MIT isn't that big of<br>
>> > > deal.<br>
>> > ><br>
>> > ><br>
>> > >><br>
>> > >> The Big question is would Adam and Anne feel comfortable running the<br>
>> > >> sprint on OLPC's turf. Adam and Anne are the domain experts. We<br>
>> > >> need<br>
>> > >> to give them the room to leverage the OLPC effort and enthusiasm<br>
>> > >> against<br>
>> > >> FM's experience.<br>
>> > >><br>
>> > >> Participantes -<br>
>> > >> Anne Gentle - Texas<br>
>> > >> Adam Hyde - Netherlands<br>
>> > >> David Farning - Wisconsin<br>
>> > >> Walter Bender - East coast<br>
>> > >> Greg Dekoenigsberg - ?<br>
>> > >> Others - ??<br>
>> > ><br>
>> > > Might I also add Benjamin Mako Hill [Boston] (author of the Official<br>
>> > > Ubuntu<br>
>> > > book and sometime OLPC employee), and Ron Hale-Evans [Seattle]<br>
>> > > (technical<br>
>> > > author via O'Reily, Fellow OLPC/Sugar nut and Linux Foundation<br>
>> > > Employee).<br>
>> > > Personally I've been the editor of my college newspaper and am<br>
>> > > familiar with<br>
>> > > explaining Sugar internals in a non-technical way.<br>
>> > ><br>
>> > >><br>
>> > >> I will gladly step aside to let a better writer take my spot;)<br>
>> > >><br>
>> > >> Funding - Between $500 - $1250 per person.<br>
>> > >> I'll do the leg work, but cold calls from dfarning won't be worth<br>
>> > >> much;(<br>
>> > >><br>
>> > >> Talking to book publishers-- Is FM interested in going that<br>
>> > >> direction?<br>
>> > >><br>
>> > >> How about setting a tentative date for Aug 16-23?<br>
>> > ><br>
>> > > I would still like to consider *some* event sooner with the<br>
>> > > expectation of<br>
>> > > getting it into the 8.2 build.<br>
>> > ><br>
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