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The call will be 6PM EASTERN TIME, Thursday July 10:<br>
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866-213-2185 or 609-454-9914<br>
Access Code: 1671650#<br>
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Christoph, Seth, Greg, I (and hopefully Walter!) will discuss our
vision, and try to nail down what's realistic, for:<br>
1. Short Term Docs, HTML, XO-Readable and Paper<br>
2. Long Term Docs, HTML, XO-Readable and Paper<br>
3. Kumbaya Physical Meetups/Sprints, just in case I don't meet all
~95 Support Volunteers on this 5000km roadtrip I'm currently on...<br>
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Anybody is welcome, if their phone (and thoughts!) aren't noisy.
Unlike my muffler :)<br>
--A!<br>
<br>
PS I'm actually in a gas station with
nasty ankle-biters chewing my legs as I type-- my muffler
constructivism isn't perfect but it's done, so off thru Kentucky
heading South Without A/C :-)<br>
<br>
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Kim Quirk wrote:
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cite="mid:9073bf100807091155o6cc44829of14801af38468431@mail.gmail.com"
type="cite">Hi Adam,<br>
Do you want to publish this call-in number? Who is invited (or not
invited)?<br>
<br>
Which RedHat location are you near? (And I hope your vacation travels
are going well!)<br>
<br>
If you want to keep the meeting small, then I will just send my
concerns (below) and you can provide interested parties with an update
or minutes from the discussions. I have added Greg Smith, Michael and
Jim to this email as my concerns mostly revolve around schedule:<br>
<br>
1 - I would like something that can be provided in a final build for
8.2: The big reason for this is because of the number of complaints in
our category regarding questions on 'Getting Started'; and also because
the UI has changed enough that it is a good opportunity to document it.
In my mind, this is a high priority feature for 8.2.<br>
<br>
2 - How do we schedule this work and make sure something is done in
time for 8.2? I think that the schedules from both SugarLabs and OLPC
need to be well-coordinated. I know Marco is trying to provide some of
that feedback into Michael, but I believe there are still some
questions, especially as it concerns activity updates. At the highest
level, we are trying to get a release out by the end of August. If a
better 'Getting Started' is going to be shipped ON the laptop is an
activity (Help Activity); then we probably need the final code for that
2 or 3 weeks before our target ship date, which means very early in
August.<br>
<br>
Since there are changes to how this activity would work (which I
believe Marco is working on, or has already checked in), then we should
get a 'fake' content, Help Activity as soon as possible to work out any
bugs.<br>
<br>
3 - If your discussion are more geared towards a pdf or manual that can
be printed; then it may have a very different schedule. My question for
that is whether we expect to make this manual somehow very easy to find
(easier than the current one) -- changes in base code versus a content
dowload (.xol). And then, if we want this content to be shipped with
8.2, then it should meet the schedule info from above.<br>
<br>
If you are just meeting to discuss content (which is also a good reason
to meet), then recognize that it might be good to create short and
longer term goals in order to efficiently use the knowledge of the
people providing content for both goals. Or to split the group into
short term vs longer term so that we will have something for 8.2.<br>
<br>
Thanks,<br>
Kim<br>
<br>
<div class="gmail_quote">On Wed, Jul 9, 2008 at 2:27 PM, Adam Holt
<<a moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:holt@laptop.org">holt@laptop.org</a>>
wrote:<br>
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style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">
<div bgcolor="#ffffff" text="#000000">Christoph Derndrofer, Seth
Woodworth, Greg DeKoenigsberg & I are
having a call Thursday PM to help decide what's realistic both short
term and long term. And a Friday lunch at/near Red Hat hopefully too :)<br>
<font color="#888888">--A!</font>
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<div class="Wj3C7c"><br>
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<br>
Kim Quirk wrote:
<blockquote type="cite">Seth and others,<br>
<br>
Sounds like a great idea, but it might miss 8.2 if you have to wait
until August for the sprint. We should be trying to get 8.2 out the
door... not looking for last minute, new content. Depending on where we
actually are, there might be a lot of pushback that it missed 8.2. <br>
<br>
But I would encourage the sprint... because whenever the manual is
ready it can emailed or printed one-off for people. And it can be
included in 8.2.1 and future 8.2 releases. Also, what is the plan for
making it available and easily accessible in the UI? <br>
<br>
We discussed a Help Activity - something we can put in the interface,
easy to find. What is the status of that? What can we do to make that
available as soon as possible? It would be great if the same team who
is going to create this FLOSS manual can first put one-two weeks of
work (in July) into updating Walter's getting started html pages to
match the new UI.<br>
<br>
Also, my suggestion for getting the help activity into today's build
with today's GettingStarted (8.1 compatible) pages is twofold: <br>
<br>
1 - start testing out the process to get from webpages to Help Activity
and how to make that available for download.<br>
<br>
2 - we can point people to that TODAY for 8.1.x builds; and then update
it for 8.2 in the next few weeks (again, sooner than August).<br>
<br>
Kim<br>
<br>
<br>
<div class="gmail_quote">On Tue, Jul 8, 2008 at 10:30 AM, Seth
Woodworth <<a moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:seth@laptop.org"
target="_blank">seth@laptop.org</a>>
wrote:<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote"
style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">It
sounds like this would be a perfect manual for inclusion in <a
moz-do-not-send="true" href="http://8.2.0." target="_blank">8.2.0.</a><br>
<br>
According to Michael a modified getting-started might be most best for
8.1.2 in the short term.<br>
<br>
Seth<br>
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From: <b class="gmail_sendername">David Farning</b> <<a
moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:dfarning@sugarlabs.org"
target="_blank">dfarning@sugarlabs.org</a>><br>
Date: Mon, Jul 7, 2008 at 10:17 PM<br>
Subject: [FM Discuss] Sugar users manual<br>
To: <a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:discuss@lists.flossmanuals.net" target="_blank">discuss@lists.flossmanuals.net</a><br>
Cc: Education <<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:its.an.education.project@tema.lo-res.org" target="_blank">its.an.education.project@tema.lo-res.org</a>>,
Samuel Klein <<a moz-do-not-send="true" href="http://meta.sj"
target="_blank">meta.sj</a>@<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://gmail.com" target="_blank">gmail.com</a>><br>
<br>
<br>
A introduction.<br>
<br>
Over the past few week Adam Hyde, Anne Gentle, and I have been<br>
discussing how FLOSS manuals and Sugar Labs can collaborate on creating<br>
the Sugar users manual.<br>
<br>
I think we agree that it would be mutually beneficial to work together.<br>
<br>
Anne and Adam have proposed conducting a Sugar book-sprint in August. A<br>
book sprint is very similar to a developer sprint. Floss manuals has<br>
conducted several productive sprints over the past few months.<br>
<br>
I would be very interested in bringing together the writers from FLOSS<br>
Manuals, OLPC and Sugar Labs to conduct a joint sprint. Adam proposed<br>
getting together 5-6 core writers.<br>
<br>
The two biggest question are:<br>
Who is interested in participating? and<br>
What are the logistics of conducting a sprint?<br>
<br>
Adam, do you have a rough estimate on the cost of conducting a sprint?<br>
Walter, Adam do you have ideas where we could get funding for holding a<br>
sprint?<br>
<br>
thanks<br>
dfarning<br>
<br>
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