<html><head></head><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space; ">hi kiko!<div><br></div><div>hey man, do you remember me? SF/AV so long ago... I keep bumping into you in the strangest places online! Adam is an old friend and I had helped out with FM a while back when he was getting started so I stay in touch on the list...glad to hear you're still causing trouble in Lima...hope all is well down south. I live in Montreal now, no more San Francisco....anyway, if you ever find yourself nearby, drop me a line!</div><div><br></div><div>take care,</div><div>matthew<br><div>
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<br><div><div>On Jan 5, 2010, at 11:59 PM, kikomayorga wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><blockquote type="cite">thanks Adam for your reply and for your offering,,<br><br>iīm shure we will soon be able to get some funding for a publication with an open license,, on a next sprint, when conciousness around is a bit more mature (ha!)<br>
or when we reach out to some more open minded sponsors, who will value free licenses...<br><br>itīs still a bit difficult to explain something like "free culture" in the corrupted peruvian market-jungle. and itīs even more difficult to make such a project sustainable,, so step by step,,, this time weīre collaborating for learning on collaboration, next time weīll be collaborating for getting right shaped funding,, youīll be hearing from us again soon : )<br>
<br>have a nice process!<br><br>Kiko<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Tue, Jan 5, 2010 at 1:17 PM, adam hyde <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:adam@flossmanuals.net" target="_blank">adam@flossmanuals.net</a>></span> wrote:<br>
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hey Kiko,<br>
<br>
ah man...these universities...the irony. I feel for you.<br>
<br>
we cant put it in FM if it has an 'all rights reserved' tag... you could<br>
try using booki...we will use it for the Transmediale book sprint...but<br>
even then Booki is really for the creation of open content...since its<br>
an alpha install we could look the other way and see it as a test...if<br>
we did this we could not offer support however and before we 'launched'<br>
booki you would need to either open the content or remove it from<br>
booki.cc...also, since booki is alpha, if booki broke in your sprint i<br>
cant offer any guarantees we can help in time<br>
<br>
if you convince them to use at least a cc license we could put it in<br>
fm...i dont like doing this, but its a good project and i'd like to help<br>
if at all possible...or you could tell them 'yes we will give the copy<br>
right to the university', but just dont tell them under what license ;)<br>
bruhaha<br>
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adam<br>
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On Tue, 2010-01-05 at 10:06 -0500, kikomayorga wrote:<br>
> Hi Adam, hi everyone!<br>
> first,, my new year greetings to all of you,,<br>
> then,,<br>
><br>
> As i had previously written to Adam, on January 22nd we are starting<br>
> in Lima, Perú a booksprint on "collaboration experiences in Perú".<br>
><br>
> The sprint is inspired by a peculiar statistic from 2008, saying that<br>
> "peru has the highest entrepreneurship rate in the world". The sad<br>
> truth behind that statistic is that peruvians are not oriented to<br>
> entrepreneurship because of beeing able to devise any special<br>
> opportunity, but rather that people need to choose working "on their<br>
> own" because of unconfidence, built up over a long history of<br>
> corruptancy, violence and diffuse sense of identity.<br>
><br>
> So, the aim of the booksprint is to collect experiences of success and<br>
> difficulties for collaboration among individuals, companies and<br>
> government.<br>
><br>
> But one "problem" has appeared as we started looking for funding. A<br>
> private university shows to be very interested in funding our<br>
> publication, but theyīre asking for exclusive rights over the<br>
> content... At that point i suppose this first booksprint we are<br>
> organizing couldnīt be "powered by" or "hosted" on the flossmanuals<br>
> platform, or am i wrong? As i read the FM FAQ, it says that the<br>
> content should be published under GPL... But sadly the lawyers working<br>
> for the university in discussion here still havenīt ever needed to<br>
> understand what "GPL" means (and that could take months!). We tried to<br>
> explain to them what the spirit of the sprint was,, that the content<br>
> should be available to everyone, (since itīs about usefull collective<br>
> learnings on collaboration). But they wonīt fund the writing if the<br>
> content is not licensed to them.. thats the way they fund research<br>
> pubications....<br>
><br>
> Of course we are deeply interested in the FLOSS ideals, expanded to<br>
> other subjects different from software, and we do our best to find<br>
> sponsors understanding and supporting expansion of FLOSS concepts...<br>
> But it seems in the third world itīs still hard to make<br>
> people/organizations change their minds.... Iīm sure we will be able<br>
> at some point to find more suitable funding for "free" production. But<br>
> sadly not at this time.<br>
><br>
> So the question i open here is if it is possible to use the FLOSS<br>
> manuals tools for editing a book that wonīt be GPL ... please donīt<br>
> take me bad,, iīm just asking and sharing our problem here,, it would<br>
> be very usefull for us as for learning to know the platform... I guess<br>
> it could still be possible to include in the writing "inspired by<br>
> FLOSS manuals",, but if itīs not possible this time, i guess we can<br>
> wait for the propper moment...<br>
><br>
> thanks,<br>
> Kiko<br>
><br>
><br>
> pd: As i think on GPL or CC, i wonder if itīs possible to include "the<br>
> figure of the sponsor" as part of the license, something like<br>
> CC-made-possible-by "xxx",, i donīt know much on licensing so iīd<br>
> really appreciate if someone can direct me to some info / example on<br>
> that... : )<br>
><br>
><br>
><br>
><br>
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