Michael,<br><br>A manifesto tries to persuade others. "This is what we believe, what we are trying to accomplish, and how we plan to do it. You should join us."<br><br>A mission statement is just some crap you pretend to believe.<br>
<br>I've seen a growing tendency for churches to have mission statements. When I see one of these I want to grab the priest, smash his head against a wall, and yell, "You have the Sermon on the Mount!" You don't need an effing mission statement!<br>
<br>But maybe that's just me.<br><br>As far as the attribution thing goes, I don't want to go all Ayn Rand on you but there has to be some motivation to write a book. I accept that "Make Your Own Sugar Activities!" is not my exclusive property. When I was writing it there was some hope of getting collaborators to contribute chapters but that fell through. It is hard work writing a book like that.<br>
<br>New versions of Sugar will be based on Python 3, which pretty much breaks every possible Python 2 program. This will make MYOSA obsolete. Someone will need to redo all the examples in Python 3 and update the book. Theoretically someone else could step up to do that work, but how likely is that?<br>
<br>The Spanish translation was a lot of work too.<br><br>One week sprints can produce great books, but you're going to have some "book slogs" too.<br><br>James Simmons<br><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Fri, Jun 29, 2012 at 7:19 AM, Michael McAndrew <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:michaelmcandrew@thirdsectordesign.org" target="_blank">michaelmcandrew@thirdsectordesign.org</a>></span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">Not being flippant / funny but what is the difference between a manifesto and a mission statement? they both seem to describe some aim / goal.<div>
<br></div><div>it is just word count? or is it that manifesto sounds cooler than mission statement? or something else that i am not getting?</div>
<div><br></div><div>feel free to ignore if this question is too tangential / academic.</div><div><br></div><div>ps. i do like the manifesto. i think it would be useful to stick up on the wall at the start of a book sprint - get a shared understanding, frame the sprint, etc.</div>
<div><br></div><div>michael</div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><div><div class="h5"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On 29 June 2012 13:09, Anne Gentle <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:annegentle@gmail.com" target="_blank">annegentle@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">You know, I do find a manifesto a way to ask and answer, "Are these<br>
people my people?"<br>
<br>
I think this is a great start, and it's thought-provoking too.<br>
<br>
James, you did freak us out a little bit with your need for attributed<br>
authorship on each chapter, so it's not that you should feel guilty,<br>
but just recognize there was a bit of an oddity to some of your needs<br>
and requests compared to most who come to FLOSS Manuals. :)<br>
<br>
I like the edits and don't really have much to add. It certainly<br>
displays the shift we're seeing in tech comm overall, where<br>
collaboration is practically the only way to get enough information,<br>
complete chunks are highly valuable over volumes, and so on.<br>
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Anne<br>
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On Thu, Jun 28, 2012 at 9:51 AM, adam <<a href="mailto:adam@flossmanuals.net" target="_blank">adam@flossmanuals.net</a>> wrote:<br>
</div><div><div>> as i have said before, i dont think we need mission statements etc<br>
><br>
> we work fine, lets not formulate who we are. its like a good party - if you<br>
> are having fun and things are working then just let it roll...making rules<br>
> for it kills the dynamic and the fun.<br>
><br>
> we know what we are, thats good enough<br>
><br>
><br>
> adam<br>
><br>
><br>
> On 06/28/2012 04:40 PM, Tomi Toivio wrote:<br>
>><br>
>> 2012/6/27 Andy Oram<<a href="mailto:andyo@oreilly.com" target="_blank">andyo@oreilly.com</a>><br>
>><br>
>>> I'm a bit late to this discussion, but I want to point out that most<br>
>>> organizations have mission statements, and some also have value<br>
>>> statements<br>
>>> that work like the manifesto Adam is talking about.<br>
>>><br>
>><br>
>> Yes, and to explain what FM is doing in terms that are commonly understood<br>
>> is actually very difficult, if you think about people who are not into<br>
>> open<br>
>> source yet, and who are actually the ones who need the manuals the most.<br>
>><br>
>> You could start by explaining that FM is like a wiki, but actually it is<br>
>> quite different from a normal wiki. Then you notice that many people<br>
>> actually don't know how a wiki works.<br>
>><br>
>> Then you can add the confusion about freeware vs. open source. The concept<br>
>> of open source is actually hard to understand unless you know something<br>
>> about computer programming. So many people just think about freeware.<br>
>><br>
>> I have also noticed that many people tend to get scared of the manuals<br>
>> since they expect they have to learn something extremely complicated.<br>
>><br>
>> There is a need for something like a video introduction into FM that can<br>
>> be<br>
>> easily translated into various languages.<br>
>><br>
>> Regards<br>
>> Tomi<br>
>><br>
>><br>
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