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    <p>This sounds great!<br>
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    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 10/01/18 12:52, M R wrote:<br>
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        <p style="margin-top:0;margin-bottom:0">Hi Mick:</p>
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        <p style="margin-top:0;margin-bottom:0">I agree that what's
          important to the end user is feature and function, not
          version/release number as such.  Certainly incremental
          releases (like the difference between 2.2.1 and 2.2.2) don't
          typically merit an update to the documentation.  But here
          we're talking essentially about the delta between an initial
          stable release (1.1) and a release some years later (2.x); 
          and having nearly completed the revision I can say that about
          40% of the functionality is new altogether, and much of the
          rest has new GUI look/feel and arrangement, and/or is found in
          a new place in the main menu system than in the first
          release.  When and if the time comes, we'll see what the delta
          is between 2.x and 3.x; but I'm guessing a new revision of the
          FM would be appropriate then too.   Meanwhile users of the
          newly-revised book will at least know they are dealing with
          the Audacity feature-set as of late 2017.</p>
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        <p style="margin-top:0;margin-bottom:0">Matt</p>
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              <b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, January 10, 2018 2:26 AM<br>
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              <b>Subject:</b> Re: [FM Discuss] next steps on Audacity
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              <p class="x_MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;
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              <p class="x_MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;
                  font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;
                  color:#1F497D">Regarding not including version
                  numbers.
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              <p class="x_MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;
                  font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;
                  color:#1F497D">It’s not a strong opinion but it’s
                  based on some software which changes version a lot but
                  not necessarily function.
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                  color:#1F497D">In that case it can mean the process of
                  patching up docs and just making small changes where
                  there is new functionality is harder, or may appear
                  harder as an editor may think they need to update the
                  whole manual which might be too big a job for them to
                  take on, or at least to finish.
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              <p class="x_MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;
                  font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;
                  color:#1F497D">In any case I would trust your
                  judgement on this for the Audacity manuals.
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              <p class="x_MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;
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                        <b>On Behalf Of </b>M R<br>
                        <b>Sent:</b> 08 January 2018 06:19<br>
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                        <b>Subject:</b> Re: [FM Discuss] next steps on
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                  <p><span
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                      color:black">Mick:</span></p>
                  <p><span
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                  <p><span
                      style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;
                      color:black">Ok, this is well underway, though
                      it's going to take some time as there is fairly
                      major delta between Audacity 1.x and 2.2, with a
                      great deal of feature rearranging and many
                      outright new features, which I'm having to spin up
                      on through a mix of experimentation and appeal to
                      the audacity org documentation.  But it's exactly
                      the sort of practice I wanted, and I need it now
                      so the rewrite will move ahead with all deliberate
                      speed.  I haven't tackled the tutorials part yet,
                      and can't swear that I'll keep the original tasks
                      exactly as they were, but all the basic chapter
                      subjects will certainly be preserved.  </span></p>
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                  <p><span
                      style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;
                      color:black">Btw, I'm not completely sold on the
                      idea of eliminating all references to
                      release/version numbers, which currently appear at
                      the start of each chapter and a few other places. 
                       If someone tried to use the current manual and
                      didn't realize it was years out of date, they'd be
                      lost in some fairly important ways.  Clearly the
                      need for this kind of update is burdensome, and I
                      wouldn't advocate it in the Floss context for more
                      than maybe first-order versions (ie 1.x vs 2.x),
                      but I'm not seeing any good purpose to burying the
                      delta itself.   Can you share your thinking on
                      this?</span></p>
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                  <p><span
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                      color:black">best,</span></p>
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                  <p><span
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                      color:black">Matt</span></p>
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                          <b>Sent:</b> Sunday, January 7, 2018 1:35 AM<br>
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                          <b>Subject:</b> Re: [FM Discuss] next steps on
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                      <p class="x_xmsonormal" style="background:white"><span
style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif; color:black">Hi Matt,
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                      <p class="x_xmsonormal" style="background:white"><span
style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif; color:black">That
                          sounds good,
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style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif; color:black"> </span></p>
                      <p class="x_xmsonormal" style="background:white"><span
style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif; color:black">Unfortunately
                          as I migrated 95% of the books in from the
                          last system, I'm down as the owner for all of
                          those. </span></p>
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                      <p class="x_xmsonormal" style="background:white"><span
style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif; color:black">I would
                          say that where possible it would be good to
                          take out references to software
                          version numbers when we come across them. 
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                      <p class="x_xmsonormal" style="background:white"><span
style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif; color:black">Thanks</span></p>
                      <p class="x_xmsonormal" style="background:white"><span
style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif; color:black">Mick</span></p>
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                              color:black"> Discuss <<a
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                              <b>Sent:</b> 06 January 2018 01:11<br>
                              <b>To:</b> <a
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                              <b>Subject:</b> Re: [FM Discuss] next
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                            <p style="background:white"><span
                                style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;
                                color:black">Actually I see it was Ryan
                                who started the substantive updating in
                                June, so I guess my question below is
                                addressed to Ryan (hi Ryan) as much as
                                Mick. </span></p>
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                                    <b>Sent:</b> Friday, January 5, 2018
                                    6:09 PM<br>
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                                    <b>Subject:</b> [FM Discuss] next
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                                  <p style="background:white"><span
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                                      color:black">Hi Mick:</span></p>
                                  <p style="background:white"><span
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                                  <p style="background:white"><span
                                      style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;
                                      color:black">One of your many hats
                                      here seems to be owner of the
                                      Audacity book.  In that capacity,
                                      I wonder what you'd like to see
                                      done next with that book as it
                                      currently stands.  It looks like
                                      back in June of last year you did
                                      some preliminary work to
                                      acknowledge the then-current
                                      version 2.1.3 (we're now at
                                      2.2.1), but as far as I can tell
                                      most of the extant screenshots and
                                      feature discussions throughout the
                                      book (other than the installation
                                      stuff you worked on) still refer
                                      to 1.x.  So would it be useful for
                                      me to just start working chapter
                                      by chapter to update screenshots
                                      and (where necessary) feature
                                      discussions to 2.2.x?  I wouldn't
                                      be doing anything other than
                                      updating within the existing
                                      framework, and no fancy
                                      innovations like screen vids </span><span
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                                      color:black">😊</span><span
                                      style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;
                                      color:black">  Just addressing the
                                      delta from 1.x.  What do you
                                      think?</span></p>
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                                  <p style="background:white"><span
                                      style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;
                                      color:black">Matt</span></p>
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                      <p class="x_MsoNormal" style="background:white"><span
style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif; color:black">"Before
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