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    <p><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">Hi
        there, <br>
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style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:EN-US"><br>
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    <p><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">I'm
        going to start migration on these ones. <br>
      </span></p>
    <p><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:EN-US"><a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://public.etherpad-mozilla.org/p/Fm-top20">https://public.etherpad-mozilla.org/p/Fm-top20</a>
      </span></p>
    <p><br>
    </p>
    <p>Helen, I'll add in the latest Upstage too. <br>
    </p>
    <p><br>
    </p>
    <p>Any extras?<br>
    </p>
    <p><br>
    </p>
    <p>Thanks</p>
    <p>Mick<br>
    </p>
    <p><br>
    </p>
    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 20/11/2018 08:00, Mick Chesterman
      wrote:<br>
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        <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">Hi
            Matt,
            <o:p></o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">Yes
            to both of those!<o:p></o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">I
            would agree that those would be in the top 20!<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">I’ve
            been looking around for replacements to the Mozilla etherpad
            that we usually borrow for FM.
            <o:p></o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">But
            can’t seem to find a quick alternative and didn’t fancy
            doing an install of nextcloud and getting libre office
            installed on the server quite yet!<o:p></o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">So
            here’s a pad to put in our favourite for migration /
            promotion.
            <o:p></o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:EN-US"><a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://public.etherpad-mozilla.org/p/Fm-top20">https://public.etherpad-mozilla.org/p/Fm-top20</a>
            <o:p></o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">Thanks<o:p></o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">Mick<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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        <p class="MsoNormal"><span
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            <p class="MsoNormal"><b><span
                  style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"
                  lang="EN-US">From:</span></b><span
                style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"
                lang="EN-US"> Discuss
                <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:discuss-bounces@lists.flossmanuals.net"><discuss-bounces@lists.flossmanuals.net></a>
                <b>On Behalf Of </b>M R<br>
                <b>Sent:</b> 19 November 2018 22:15<br>
                <b>To:</b> <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:discuss@lists.flossmanuals.net">discuss@lists.flossmanuals.net</a><br>
                <b>Subject:</b> Re: [FM Discuss] Archiving most of the
                books on write.flossmanuals.net - and how to do it.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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        <p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
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          <p><span
              style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black">Hi
              Mick:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
          <p><span
              style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
          <p><span
              style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black">Just
              now paying attention to this thread.  Obviously I think my
              Shotcut manual should make the top 20
            </span><span style="font-family:"Segoe UI
              Symbol",sans-serif;color:black">😊</span><span
              style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black">,
              as it's an all-new write from early this year (and I'd
              certainly argue that Shotcut is one of two leading
              opensource vid editors).<o:p></o:p></span></p>
          <p><span
              style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
          <p><span
              style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black">And
              I don't think anyone would dispute that Audacity is
              easily the leading open-source sound editor.  I know
              someone wanted to do an(other) big re-write of that one
              earlier this year, on top of my update; not sure if that
              ever happened as I seem to still see my version on the
              site; but in any case Audacity surely makes the cut  for
              the migration.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
          <p><span
              style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
          <p><span
              style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black">Let
              me know if there's anything I should be doing on these to
              assist.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
          <p><span
              style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
          <p><span
              style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black">Best,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
          <p><span
              style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
          <p><span
              style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black">Matt<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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              style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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              <p class="MsoNormal"><b><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black">From:</span></b><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black">
                  Discuss <<a
                    href="mailto:discuss-bounces@lists.flossmanuals.net"
                    moz-do-not-send="true">discuss-bounces@lists.flossmanuals.net</a>>
                  on behalf of Mick Chesterman <<a
                    href="mailto:mick@flossmanuals.net"
                    moz-do-not-send="true">mick@flossmanuals.net</a>><br>
                  <b>Sent:</b> Monday, November 19, 2018 2:56 AM<br>
                  <b>To:</b> <a
                    href="mailto:discuss@lists.flossmanuals.net"
                    moz-do-not-send="true">discuss@lists.flossmanuals.net</a><br>
                  <b>Subject:</b> Re: [FM Discuss] Archiving most of the
                  books on write.flossmanuals.net - and how to do it.</span><span
style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black">
                  <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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                <p class="MsoNormal"><span
                    style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black"> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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              <p style="background:white"><span
                  style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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                <p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><span
                    style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black">On
                    14/11/2018 21:53, Helen Varley Jamieson wrote:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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                <p style="background:white"><span
                    style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black">hmm,
                    i'm not sure about that one either. is there a way
                    to see which are the most viewed?
                    <o:p></o:p></span></p>
              </blockquote>
              <p style="background:white"><span
                  style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black">Not
                  really, :(<o:p></o:p></span></p>
              <p style="background:white"><span
                  style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black">Also,
                  thinking about it a bit it may be more tactical to
                  make a decision based on what is most likely to
                  attract editors and avoid duplication of effort and
                  help build on the existing community. <o:p></o:p></span></p>
              <p style="background:white"><span
                  style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black">I
                  was also thinking that the manuals that seem to date
                  best are the ones for established media / art / sound
                  making tools rather than for Interent Security ones.
                  <o:p></o:p></span></p>
              <p style="background:white"><span
                  style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black">For
                  example the one on digital art foundations has
                  probably dated better than the ones on Interent
                  Security.
                  <br>
                  <a
                    href="http://write.flossmanuals.net/digital-foundations/introduction/"
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                              This book was written by two artist
                              educators who teach digital art and design
                              studio foundation classes. While teaching
                              classes that take place in software
                              laboratories, we noticed that many of our
                              students expected to learn to use
                              software, but gave little consideration to
                              aesthetics or art and design history.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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              <p style="background:white"><span
                  style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black">Certainly,
                  it's a great time to nominate one or more manuals to
                  "look after" if you are friendly member of the FM
                  community and would like to maintain a manual by doing
                  some updates or even by providing direction to some of
                  the many volunteers we get.  <br>
                  Just email me if with a manuals of choice if you are
                  interested in doing that.  <o:p>
                  </o:p></span></p>
              <p style="background:white"><span
                  style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black">Thanks<br>
                  Mick<o:p></o:p></span></p>
              <p style="background:white"><span
                  style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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                <p style="background:white"><span
                    style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black">probably
                    the UpStage manual doesn't need to be archived, as
                    we have old versions on the website (i think ... we
                    used to ... ) & i don't think anyone out there
                    is using the old versions anyway. & hopefully in
                    the not too distant future we are going to have a
                    completely shiny new improved platform! :)<o:p></o:p></span></p>
                <p style="background:white"><span
                    style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black">h
                    : )<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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                    style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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                      style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black">On
                      14.11.2018 02:15,
                      <a href="mailto:mick@flossmanuals.net"
                        id="LPlnk772479" moz-do-not-send="true">mick@flossmanuals.net</a>
                      wrote:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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                  <p style="background:white"><span
                      style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black">Hi
                      there,
                      <o:p></o:p></span></p>
                  <p style="background:white"><span
                      style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black">This
                      was a point that came up at the last FLOSS Manuals
                      meeting.
                      <o:p></o:p></span></p>
                  <p style="background:white"><span
                      style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black">The
                      proposal was to archive most of the FLOSS Manuals
                      content in the process of moving to a new Booktype
                      2.x installation apart from active or most valued
                      ones , and for me to come up with a suggestion on
                      how to do that. <br>
                      I've got a suggestion which is... <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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                      <span
                        style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Pick
                        at top 20 of manuals which we would like to
                        promote and try to keep updated.
                        <o:p></o:p></span></li>
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style="color:black;mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;mso-list:l0
                      level1 lfo1;background:white">
                      <span
                        style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Migrate
                        those and any that have changed significantly
                        since the last migration to the current
                        write.flossmanuals.net<o:p></o:p></span></li>
                    <li class="MsoNormal"
style="color:black;mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;mso-list:l0
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                      <span
                        style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Update
                        the web links of older manuals to point to the
                        relevant part of
                        <a href="http://archive.flossmanuals.net/"
                          id="LPlnk503674" moz-do-not-send="true">http://archive.flossmanuals.net/</a>
                        for example one like
                        <a
                          href="http://archive.flossmanuals.net/ffmpeg2theora/"
                          id="LPlnk194559" moz-do-not-send="true">http://archive.flossmanuals.net/ffmpeg2theora/</a><o:p></o:p></span></li>
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                  <p style="background:white"><span
                      style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black">I
                      actually think this could be a really positive
                      thing, we get loads of hits still, and lots of
                      requests to get involved as volunteers but it's
                      not always clear where to get them started. <br>
                      I think this kind of focus could really help. <o:p></o:p></span></p>
                  <p style="background:white"><span
                      style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black">I'm
                      not sure the best way to pick the top 20 odd
                      manuals however, any suggestions?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
                  <p style="background:white"><span
                      style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black">Thanks<br>
                      Mick<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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                      <br>
                      <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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                      <o:p></o:p></span></p>
                  <p style="background:white"><span
                      style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black">helen
                      varley jamieson<o:p></o:p></span></p>
                  <p style="background:white"><span
                      style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black"><a
                        href="mailto:helen@creative-catalyst.com"
                        id="LPlnk761478" moz-do-not-send="true">helen@creative-catalyst.com</a><br>
                      <a href="http://www.creative-catalyst.com"
                        id="LPlnk923149" moz-do-not-send="true">http://www.creative-catalyst.com</a><br>
                      <a href="http://www.upstage.org.nz"
                        id="LPlnk742806" moz-do-not-send="true">http://www.upstage.org.nz</a><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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