[FM Discuss] Possible collaboration with Floss Manuals
Steve Lake
steve.lake at raiden.net
Sat Aug 8 08:38:19 PDT 2009
Yeah, that's what we're already doing here:
http://forums.raiden.net/viewtopic.php?t=21911
I threw out some initial ideas, and then TesserID tossed out a
real winner. His post is about 3/4 of the way down the page.
At 10:17 PM 8/7/2009 +0200, adam hyde wrote:
>hey
>
>concerning the outline - i think this project it should be a bit of
>both...create a draft outline then reform it as people join
>
>but maybe an inspiring outline would be good to kick it off
>
>adam
>
>
>
>On Fri, 2009-08-07 at 15:27 -0400, Andy Oram wrote:
> > The educational work is ongoing; a lot of people have been doing it for
> some time. I don't have much hope of reaching the "soccer mom" unengaged
> public. What I see is that someone gets interested in some other topic
> that's related to what she wants to do, then discovers open source. For
> instance, a school administrator is facing a big collection of old
> computers that can't be upgraded to Vista--and looking around for a
> solution, discovers Linux.
> >
> > Or an artist who's frustrated that his favorite software package just
> tripled in price, and removed a key feature he was depending on, starts
> looking at open solutions. And maybe discovers Creative Commons along the way.
> >
> > There are already commercial books that reach out to business
> executives, and books on "how to switch." I don't think those books sell
> very well. But I think FLOSS does need a succinct "this is what it is and
> why it's good" description, and that it should be free.
> >
> > I'll contact some people over the weekend who might be interested. Is
> anyone making up an outline? What's the current thinking on that: authors
> first and outline second, or outline first and authors second?
> >
> > Andy
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Steve Lake" <steve.lake at raiden.net>
> > To: "Andy Oram" <andyo at oreilly.com>, discuss at lists.flossmanuals.net
> > Sent: Friday, August 7, 2009 2:32:30 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern
> > Subject: Re: [FM Discuss] [Fwd: Re: [FM PR] Possible collaboration with
> Floss Manuals]
> >
> > Well, advocacy is part of it. Most of what I was after is "what
> > is it" followed by "what can it do for you?" So yeah, it's advocacy to a
> > degree. But I wanted to focus first on telling them what it was, then
> once
> > they know that, move over to how it can benefit them.
> >
> > It's like telling someone who's never seen a car, nor has any
> idea
> > what one is that a car is very useful to them. First inform them of
> what a
> > car is, THEN explain how it can benefit them. ;) See my logic
> here? Most
> > of the people I'm targeting are what I jokingly like to call "soccer
> > moms". (That's football for our European members. hehe) IE, computers,
> > software and operating systems are the last thing on their mind. So we
> > have to first explain to them what they are so they're on equal footing
> > with us when we get to the important part, why it's best for them.
> >
> > At 01:39 PM 8/7/2009 -0400, Andy Oram wrote:
> > >Are you focusing on advocacy--teaching people how to explain the benefits
> > >of free software and ease the transition to it? If so, I can pull
> together
> > >some people I've talked to about that in Europe and Latin America. And
> > >even North America.
> > >
> > >Andy
> > >
> > >----- Original Message -----
> > >From: "adam hyde" <adam at flossmanuals.net>
> > >To: "floss" <discuss at lists.flossmanuals.net>
> > >Cc: "Steve Lake" <steve.lake at raiden.net>
> > >Sent: Friday, August 7, 2009 10:51:37 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern
> > >Subject: [FM Discuss] [Fwd: Re: [FM PR] Possible collaboration with Floss
> > >Manuals]
> > >
> > >hi,
> > >
> > >This is an email discussion (see below) between myself and Steve Lake of
> > >Raidens Realm (http://raiden.net/) about a course he is starting. Steve
> > >has been a great supporter of FM and is looking to work with us to
> > >develop a textbook about free software. I suggested perhaps we bring
> > >this discussion to the FM list...
> > >
> > >It would be super if we could design and create a text book with steve
> > >for his course....anyone keen?
> > >
> > >(please cc Steve in replies)
> > >
> > >adam
> > >
> > >-------- Forwarded Message --------
> > >From: Steve Lake <steve.lake at raiden.net>
> > >To: adam at flossmanuals.net, pr at lists.flossmanuals.net
> > >Subject: Re: [FM PR] Possible collaboration with Floss Manuals
> > >Date: Thu, 06 Aug 2009 15:37:42 -0400
> > >
> > >Nope, didn't have any specific books, as I'm still in the
> > >beginning stages of this. But I was hoping that when we were done, we
> > >could have a generic intro course that could be taught in 2-5 hours
> > >(depending on how much time someone had to do the course) to help us Linux
> > >and FOSS enthusiasts, especially those without teaching ability, to be
> able
> > >to go out, inform the public, and make sure they know that there's choices
> > >out there, and what some of those are. Because the more they know, the
> > >better.
> > >
> > > From there, if they were curious enough to continue, a selection
> > >of books could be given to them to get them started learning Linux and
> FOSS
> > >apps, the latter dependent on what they need. I could easily add a
> list at
> > >the end of the course that says, "for more info on subject x or y, go to
> > >floss manuals and get this and this book." So basically this would
> benefit
> > >you guys by first getting them in the door, and then handing them off to
> > >you for further educating.
> > >
> > > I do however like the idea that you guys are developing actual
> > >course books. That sounds quite exciting and interesting. How big of a
> > >course do you expect these books to be? A full 14 week course, or
> > >something that could be done in an afternoon or a week at most?
> > >
> > >At 08:37 PM 8/6/2009 +0200, adam hyde wrote:
> > > >hey Steve,
> > > >
> > > >I dont want to any individual but i think FM in general is interested in
> > > >developing Text Books. We have recently been in touch with Goldsmiths
> > > >(Graham Harwood and Matthew Fuller) to see if there is a possibility to
> > > >develop course books with them.
> > > >
> > > >It seems this is a possibility. so, we are already on the path and any
> > > >possible collaboration is a good idea.
> > > >
> > > >For your project did you have any specific books in mind?
> > > >
> > > >also, do you know this:
> > > >http://teachingopensource.org/index.php/Main_Page
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >adam
> > > >
> > > >On Thu, 2009-08-06 at 10:14 -0400, Steve Lake wrote:
> > > > > http://forums.raiden.net/viewtopic.php?t=21911
> > > > >
> > > > > Thought that might interest you guys. I'm starting a
> project to
> > > > > develop a Linux and FOSS education and training
> course. Something that
> > > > > could be put into the hands of just any joe and used to introduce
> people
> > > > > Linux and FOSS. I'd love to see if you guys could help out with
> > > > developing
> > > > > a course like this, and in return we could put it into book form
> for sale
> > > > > in the FLOSS manuals bookstore. The goal of the project is to
> introduce
> > > > > them to Linux and FOSS, get them in the door so to speak, and get
> them
> > > > > interested in learning more.
> > > > >
> > > > > It's an education focused approach to promoting FOSS and
> Linux
> > > > > designed to replace the old elitist "RTFM" and Evangelistic
> approaches
> > > > > currently used today. You guys are great at writing and
> developing help
> > > > > guides, manuals, and the like, so I figured if you wanted to jump
> in and
> > > > > help, we could easily toss a whole bunch of Floss manuals and book
> > > > > references into the project too in order to help you guys in
> return. :)
> > > > >
> > > > > Whatcha say? Interested?
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Steven Lake
> > > > > Owner/Chief Editor
> > > > > Raiden's Realm
> > > > > www.raiden.net
> > > > > Bringing Linux to the World
> > > > >
> > > > >
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