[FM Discuss] Discuss Digest, Vol 29, Issue 11 (Typical Forum which would be preferable to E-mails)
dwp
davidrex at northlink.com
Thu Oct 8 11:49:28 PDT 2009
Hello: Here is what i am talking about when i say our clarity of
communication would be improved if all these message within message
within message E-mails, which are difficult to sort out without doing
a print on paper (all people's memories aren't that great:( and the
redundancy is very confusing). See my NOTE below for one possible
solution to this.
http://www.olpcnews.com/forum/index.php?topic=4616.msg30658
In this latest digest, 28 issue 11, it appears that items 1 - 4 have
to do with the possibility of having a forum instead of E-mails.
5 and 9 are concerned with Arabic. Items 6 - 8 sppear to be related to
Adam's comment on DRM a few digests ago.
NOTE: Perhaps if all the participants in these exchanges would turn
off quoting the original text in their replies, some of the E-mails
would be easier to work with. On my Macintosh i can go to Mail >
Preferences > compose. Then i can uncheck the "Quote the text of
original message" . This will cause original message to only be sent
in a forward, not a reply and its text.
Regards:
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> 1. Re: Discuss Digest, Vol 29, Issue 8 (Lachlan Musicman)
> 2. Re: Discuss Digest, Vol 29, Issue 8 (adam hyde)
> 3. Re: Alternate list interfaces ( 0v .)
> 4. Re: Alternate list interfaces (Janet Swisher)
> 5. request: translation of XO manual into Arabic (Ahmed MANSOUR)
> 6. Re: things i hate... (adam hyde)
> 7. is a book in the public domain? (adam hyde)
> 8. distributed proof readers (adam hyde)
> 9. Re: request: translation of XO manual into Arabic
> (Cara Bell-Jones)
>
> From: Lachlan Musicman <datakid at gmail.com>
> Date: October 7, 2009 2:26:55 PM MST
> To: discuss at lists.flossmanuals.net
> Subject: Re: [FM Discuss] Discuss Digest, Vol 29, Issue 8
> Reply-To: discuss at lists.flossmanuals.net
>
>
> On Thu, Oct 8, 2009 at 07:23, adam hyde <adam at flossmanuals.net> wrote:
>> hi,
>>
>> I am very sorry but we will not set up a yahoo or google group.
>
>
> Can I as why, out of curiosity? Is it the difficulty of extracting the
> list from them when they turn evil?
>
> cheers
> L.
>
>
>>
>> Updating the manual without screenshots would befine :)
>>
>> adam
>>
>>
>> On Wed, 2009-10-07 at 21:05 +0100, Maria Inmaculada de la Torre
>> wrote:
>>> Hi, and sorry for asking for help in here but first I might have a
>>> suggestion. Someone said that he found following the conversation in
>>> this format a bit confusing. I must agree with that, and I have
>>> thought that maybe it could interesting to have either a Yahoo or a
>>> Google group, so that the option for the list in the way it is now,
>>> with emails is there but there is also the possibility of seeing the
>>> conversations in threads and separate by subjects as it works in
>>> Google groups and I think in Yahoo too. That's just a suggestion in
>>> case you might want to consider that
>>>
>>> The other thing, I'm ashamed right now to say that I have spent the
>>> whole evening with this without result, but I was trying to update
>>> the
>>> Audacity manual with screenshots (the english version) and also
>>> screenshots for the Spanish version and I have a problem. I'm
>>> desperate right now and that's the only reason I ask. I use Ubuntu
>>> Jaunty 9.04 and I have a virtual Xp machine. Since Jaunty, I
>>> believe,
>>> the usb connections have stopped working even when you install the
>>> Guest additions. My situation is exactly the one described in here
>>> http://forums.virtualbox.org/viewtopic.php?f=7&t=22702# . I have
>>> followed the instructions from the thread, reinstalled the guest
>>> additions and nothing. Does anyone have an idea of what I'm doing
>>> wrong?
>>>
>>> In the meantime would it matter if I update and translate without
>>> screenshots for all systems but Ubuntu?
>>>
>>> Many thanks and sorry for diverting the issue from the FLOSS
>>> manuals.
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> Discuss mailing list
>>> Discuss at lists.flossmanuals.net
>>> http://lists.flossmanuals.net/listinfo.cgi/discuss-flossmanuals.net
>> --
>> Adam Hyde
>> Founder FLOSS Manuals
>> German mobile : + 49 15 2230 54563
>> Email : adam at flossmanuals.net
>> irc: irc.freenode.net #flossmanuals
>>
>> "Free manuals for free software"
>> http://www.flossmanuals.net/about
>>
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>
>
>
> --
> Ana Ng and I are getting old And we still haven't walked in the glow
> of each other's majestic presence
> TMBG, Ana Ng
>
>
>
>
> From: adam hyde <adam at flossmanuals.net>
> Date: October 7, 2009 2:33:22 PM MST
> To: discuss at lists.flossmanuals.net
> Subject: Re: [FM Discuss] Discuss Digest, Vol 29, Issue 8
> Reply-To: discuss at lists.flossmanuals.net
>
>
> On Thu, 2009-10-08 at 08:26 +1100, Lachlan Musicman wrote:
>> On Thu, Oct 8, 2009 at 07:23, adam hyde <adam at flossmanuals.net>
>> wrote:
>>> hi,
>>>
>>> I am very sorry but we will not set up a yahoo or google group.
>>
>>
>> Can I as why, out of curiosity? Is it the difficulty of extracting
>> the
>> list from them when they turn evil?
>
> i really dont see a need to do it
>
> adam
>
>
>>
>> cheers
>> L.
>>
>>
>>>
>>> Updating the manual without screenshots would befine :)
>>>
>>> adam
>>>
>>>
>>> On Wed, 2009-10-07 at 21:05 +0100, Maria Inmaculada de la Torre
>>> wrote:
>>>> Hi, and sorry for asking for help in here but first I might have a
>>>> suggestion. Someone said that he found following the conversation
>>>> in
>>>> this format a bit confusing. I must agree with that, and I have
>>>> thought that maybe it could interesting to have either a Yahoo or a
>>>> Google group, so that the option for the list in the way it is now,
>>>> with emails is there but there is also the possibility of seeing
>>>> the
>>>> conversations in threads and separate by subjects as it works in
>>>> Google groups and I think in Yahoo too. That's just a suggestion in
>>>> case you might want to consider that
>>>>
>>>> The other thing, I'm ashamed right now to say that I have spent the
>>>> whole evening with this without result, but I was trying to
>>>> update the
>>>> Audacity manual with screenshots (the english version) and also
>>>> screenshots for the Spanish version and I have a problem. I'm
>>>> desperate right now and that's the only reason I ask. I use Ubuntu
>>>> Jaunty 9.04 and I have a virtual Xp machine. Since Jaunty, I
>>>> believe,
>>>> the usb connections have stopped working even when you install the
>>>> Guest additions. My situation is exactly the one described in here
>>>> http://forums.virtualbox.org/viewtopic.php?f=7&t=22702# . I have
>>>> followed the instructions from the thread, reinstalled the guest
>>>> additions and nothing. Does anyone have an idea of what I'm doing
>>>> wrong?
>>>>
>>>> In the meantime would it matter if I update and translate without
>>>> screenshots for all systems but Ubuntu?
>>>>
>>>> Many thanks and sorry for diverting the issue from the FLOSS
>>>> manuals.
>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>> Discuss mailing list
>>>> Discuss at lists.flossmanuals.net
>>>> http://lists.flossmanuals.net/listinfo.cgi/discuss-flossmanuals.net
>>> --
>>> Adam Hyde
>>> Founder FLOSS Manuals
>>> German mobile : + 49 15 2230 54563
>>> Email : adam at flossmanuals.net
>>> irc: irc.freenode.net #flossmanuals
>>>
>>> "Free manuals for free software"
>>> http://www.flossmanuals.net/about
>>>
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> Discuss mailing list
>>> Discuss at lists.flossmanuals.net
>>> http://lists.flossmanuals.net/listinfo.cgi/discuss-flossmanuals.net
>>>
>>
>>
>>
> --
> Adam Hyde
> Founder FLOSS Manuals
> German mobile : + 49 15 2230 54563
> Email : adam at flossmanuals.net
> irc: irc.freenode.net #flossmanuals
>
> "Free manuals for free software"
> http://www.flossmanuals.net/about
>
>
>
>
>
>
> From: " 0v ." <vlax at espora.org>
> Date: October 7, 2009 2:32:23 PM MST
> To: discuss at lists.flossmanuals.net
> Subject: Re: [FM Discuss] Alternate list interfaces
> Reply-To: discuss at lists.flossmanuals.net
>
>
>
> to me this discussion list is working fine
>
> the way you configure your e-mail client to read messages is the way
> it show them,
> with discussion lists like this always is a better idea to configure
> the client to show
> you and organize the threads
>
> Janet Swisher escribió:
>> How about linking to a newsgroup via Gmane? http://gmane.org/
>> about.php
>> With a name like "gmane.org.flossmanuals.discuss". That way, folks
>> who don't want to read the list in their mail client can read it via
>> the web or a newsreader. The link can be set up so that only
>> subscribers can post via Gmane.
>>
>> (Personally, I subscribe to this list via Gmail, which handles the
>> threading for me. I have found that that digests reduce only the
>> *number* of messages one receives, not the amount of work required to
>> read them, because it's tedious to skip messages in a digest.)
>>
>> Note that Gmane is not related to Google or Gmail, despite the
>> similarity of the name.
>>
>> --Janet
>>
>> On Wed, Oct 7, 2009 at 3:23 PM, adam hyde <adam at flossmanuals.net>
>> wrote:
>>> hi,
>>>
>>> I am very sorry but we will not set up a yahoo or google group.
>>
>>> adam
>>>
>>>
>>> On Wed, 2009-10-07 at 21:05 +0100, Maria Inmaculada de la Torre
>>> wrote:
>>>> Hi, and sorry for asking for help in here but first I might have a
>>>> suggestion. Someone said that he found following the conversation
>>>> in
>>>> this format a bit confusing. I must agree with that, and I have
>>>> thought that maybe it could interesting to have either a Yahoo or a
>>>> Google group, so that the option for the list in the way it is now,
>>>> with emails is there but there is also the possibility of seeing
>>>> the
>>>> conversations in threads and separate by subjects as it works in
>>>> Google groups and I think in Yahoo too. That's just a suggestion in
>>>> case you might want to consider that
>> _______________________________________________
>> Discuss mailing list
>> Discuss at lists.flossmanuals.net
>> http://lists.flossmanuals.net/listinfo.cgi/discuss-flossmanuals.net
>>
>
> --
>
> ________0_______
> [espora.org/~vlax]
>
>
>
>
>
>
> From: Janet Swisher <jmswisher at gmail.com>
> Date: October 7, 2009 2:51:19 PM MST
> To: discuss at lists.flossmanuals.net
> Subject: Re: [FM Discuss] Alternate list interfaces
> Reply-To: discuss at lists.flossmanuals.net
>
>
> My suggestion would have no impact on those who are happy with the
> list as it now works. It would simply provide an alternate means of
> access for those prefer not to use email for this purpose, or who are
> stuck with brain-dead mail clients.
>
> On Wed, Oct 7, 2009 at 4:32 PM, 0v . <vlax at espora.org> wrote:
>>
>> to me this discussion list is working fine
>>
>> the way you configure your e-mail client to read messages is the
>> way it show them,
>> with discussion lists like this always is a better idea to
>> configure the client to show
>> you and organize the threads
>>
>> Janet Swisher escribió:
>>> How about linking to a newsgroup via Gmane? http://gmane.org/about.php
>>> With a name like "gmane.org.flossmanuals.discuss". That way, folks
>>> who don't want to read the list in their mail client can read it via
>>> the web or a newsreader. The link can be set up so that only
>>> subscribers can post via Gmane.
>>>
>>> (Personally, I subscribe to this list via Gmail, which handles the
>>> threading for me. I have found that that digests reduce only the
>>> *number* of messages one receives, not the amount of work required
>>> to
>>> read them, because it's tedious to skip messages in a digest.)
>>>
>>> Note that Gmane is not related to Google or Gmail, despite the
>>> similarity of the name.
>>>
>>> --Janet
>>>
>>> On Wed, Oct 7, 2009 at 3:23 PM, adam hyde <adam at flossmanuals.net>
>>> wrote:
>>>> hi,
>>>>
>>>> I am very sorry but we will not set up a yahoo or google group.
>>>
>>>> adam
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Wed, 2009-10-07 at 21:05 +0100, Maria Inmaculada de la Torre
>>>> wrote:
>>>>> Hi, and sorry for asking for help in here but first I might have a
>>>>> suggestion. Someone said that he found following the
>>>>> conversation in
>>>>> this format a bit confusing. I must agree with that, and I have
>>>>> thought that maybe it could interesting to have either a Yahoo
>>>>> or a
>>>>> Google group, so that the option for the list in the way it is
>>>>> now,
>>>>> with emails is there but there is also the possibility of seeing
>>>>> the
>>>>> conversations in threads and separate by subjects as it works in
>>>>> Google groups and I think in Yahoo too. That's just a suggestion
>>>>> in
>>>>> case you might want to consider that
>
>
>
>
> From: Ahmed MANSOUR <911freak at gmail.com>
> Date: October 7, 2009 2:56:02 PM MST
> To: discuss at lists.flossmanuals.net
> Subject: [FM Discuss] request: translation of XO manual into Arabic
> Reply-To: discuss at lists.flossmanuals.net
>
>
> Hello,
>
> As we are preparing a small deployement of OLPC laptops, we would like
> to translate the http://en.flossmanuals.net/xo into Arabic, the
> language code is "ar".
> so please someone add it to the list at translate.flossmanuals.net
>
> Thanks
>
> Ahmed Mansour
> OLPC-Morocco team
>
>
>
>
> From: adam hyde <adam at flossmanuals.net>
> Date: October 8, 2009 12:44:24 AM MST
> To: discuss at lists.flossmanuals.net
> Subject: Re: [FM Discuss] things i hate...
> Reply-To: discuss at lists.flossmanuals.net
>
>
> On Wed, 2009-10-07 at 14:08 +0100, Alan Pope wrote:
>> 2009/10/7 adam hyde <adam at flossmanuals.net>:
>>> ugh...i brought a book to experiment with the sony ereader (since FM
>>> will be producing epubs soon via objavi). and...man...was that a
>>> mistake. DRM prevented me from transferring it to my reader since
>>> for no
>>> good reason other than I dont use windows so i cant use Adobe
>>> Digital
>>> Editions to transfer the book to the reader
>>>
>>
>> Tried Calibre?
>>
>> http://calibre.kovidgoyal.net/
>
> sorry, i missed the point of your recommendation before...i tried
> Calibre with the DRM material and it would not transfer it to the sony
> reader. Calibre reported the problem and said it was necessary to use
> third party tools to remove the DRM first.
>
> I did, by the way, try transferring the DRM epub to the sony ereader
> manually (dragging it from Ubuntu to the mounted drive)...this worked
> for non DRM material but not the DRM epub...
>
> Also,..I tried dragging all the Digital Editions files related to the
> DRM protected epub to the sony ereader and it still didnt work.
>
> For the Sony ereader (and other DRM friendly ereaders) either you need
> non-DRM protected material, or (for some DRM protected epubs) you need
> the Adobe Digital Editions to do all the management of the file for
> you.
>
> It isnt a very friendly situation. I came away understanding even more
> clearly how DRM damages the brand perception of publishers.
>
> Also, just as an aside...ironically, the book with the DRM that would
> not transfer to my sony reader, even though I had paid for it like a
> good citizen, was published in the 19th century...ie...its copyright
> protection had expired...by stopping me from transferring the
> content to
> my reader DRM was stopping me from exercising my 'rights' gifted to me
> by copyright
>
> adam
>
>
>>
>> Cheers,
>> Al.
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> --
> Adam Hyde
> Founder FLOSS Manuals
> German mobile : + 49 15 2230 54563
> Email : adam at flossmanuals.net
> irc: irc.freenode.net #flossmanuals
>
> "Free manuals for free software"
> http://www.flossmanuals.net/about
>
>
>
>
>
>
> From: adam hyde <adam at flossmanuals.net>
> Date: October 8, 2009 7:00:02 AM MST
> To: discuss at lists.flossmanuals.net
> Subject: [FM Discuss] is a book in the public domain?
> Reply-To: discuss at lists.flossmanuals.net
>
>
> found this :
> http://onlinebooks.library.upenn.edu/okbooks.html
>
> quite useful
>
> adam
>
>
> --
> Adam Hyde
> Founder FLOSS Manuals
> German mobile : + 49 15 2230 54563
> Email : adam at flossmanuals.net
> irc: irc.freenode.net #flossmanuals
>
> "Free manuals for free software"
> http://www.flossmanuals.net/about
>
>
>
>
>
>
> From: adam hyde <adam at flossmanuals.net>
> Date: October 8, 2009 7:02:23 AM MST
> To: discuss at lists.flossmanuals.net
> Subject: [FM Discuss] distributed proof readers
> Reply-To: discuss at lists.flossmanuals.net
>
>
> this is also interestign ...
>
> http://www.pgdp.net/c/
>
> (found in my research about people that might like to use booki)
>
> adam
>
>
> --
> Adam Hyde
> Founder FLOSS Manuals
> German mobile : + 49 15 2230 54563
> Email : adam at flossmanuals.net
> irc: irc.freenode.net #flossmanuals
>
> "Free manuals for free software"
> http://www.flossmanuals.net/about
>
>
>
>
>
>
> From: Cara Bell-Jones <carabelljones at googlemail.com>
> Date: October 8, 2009 7:06:01 AM MST
> To: discuss at lists.flossmanuals.net
> Subject: Re: [FM Discuss] request: translation of XO manual into
> Arabic
> Reply-To: discuss at lists.flossmanuals.net
>
>
> Hi Ahmed,
>
> You can start the Arabic translation here:
> http://translate.flossmanuals.net/bin/view/XO_ar/WebHome
>
> and there's some information that may help you here:
> http://en.flossmanuals.net/FLOSSManuals/TranslatingAManual
>
> p.s. thanks for the language code :)
>
> cara
>
>
> Ahmed MANSOUR wrote:
>> Hello,
>> As we are preparing a small deployement of OLPC laptops, we would
>> like
>> to translate the http://en.flossmanuals.net/xo into Arabic, the
>> language code is "ar".
>> so please someone add it to the list at translate.flossmanuals.net
>> Thanks
>> Ahmed Mansour
>> OLPC-Morocco team
>> _______________________________________________
>> Discuss mailing list
>> Discuss at lists.flossmanuals.net
>> http://lists.flossmanuals.net/listinfo.cgi/discuss-flossmanuals.net
>
>
>
>
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