[FM Discuss] Discuss Digest, Vol 29, Issue 11 (Typical Forum which would be preferable to E-mails)
adam hyde
adam at flossmanuals.net
Thu Oct 8 11:55:33 PDT 2009
i suggest you dont subscribe using the digest form...
adam
On Thu, 2009-10-08 at 11:49 -0700, dwp wrote:
> Hello: Here is what i am talking about when i say our clarity of
> communication would be improved if all these message within message
> within message E-mails, which are difficult to sort out without doing
> a print on paper (all people's memories aren't that great:( and the
> redundancy is very confusing). See my NOTE below for one possible
> solution to this.
>
>
> http://www.olpcnews.com/forum/index.php?topic=4616.msg30658
>
>
> In this latest digest, 28 issue 11, it appears that items 1 - 4 have
> to do with the possibility of having a forum instead of E-mails.
> 5 and 9 are concerned with Arabic. Items 6 - 8 sppear to be related to
> Adam's comment on DRM a few digests ago.
>
>
> NOTE: Perhaps if all the participants in these exchanges would turn
> off quoting the original text in their replies, some of the E-mails
> would be easier to work with. On my Macintosh i can go to Mail >
> Preferences > compose. Then i can uncheck the "Quote the text of
> original message" . This will cause original message to only be sent
> in a forward, not a reply and its text.
>
>
> Regards:
> On Oct 8, 2009, at
> 07:06:06, discuss-request at lists.flossmanuals.net wrote:
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> > 1. Re: Discuss Digest, Vol 29, Issue 8 (Lachlan Musicman)
> > 2. Re: Discuss Digest, Vol 29, Issue 8 (adam hyde)
> > 3. Re: Alternate list interfaces ( 0v .)
> > 4. Re: Alternate list interfaces (Janet Swisher)
> > 5. request: translation of XO manual into Arabic (Ahmed MANSOUR)
> > 6. Re: things i hate... (adam hyde)
> > 7. is a book in the public domain? (adam hyde)
> > 8. distributed proof readers (adam hyde)
> > 9. Re: request: translation of XO manual into Arabic
> > (Cara Bell-Jones)
> >
> > From: Lachlan Musicman <datakid at gmail.com>
> >
> > Date: October 7, 2009 2:26:55 PM MST
> >
> > To: discuss at lists.flossmanuals.net
> >
> > Subject: Re: [FM Discuss] Discuss Digest, Vol 29, Issue 8
> >
> > Reply-To: discuss at lists.flossmanuals.net
> >
> >
> >
> > On Thu, Oct 8, 2009 at 07:23, adam hyde <adam at flossmanuals.net>
> > wrote:
> > > hi,
> > >
> > > I am very sorry but we will not set up a yahoo or google group.
> >
> >
> > Can I as why, out of curiosity? Is it the difficulty of extracting
> > the
> > list from them when they turn evil?
> >
> > cheers
> > L.
> >
> >
> > >
> > > Updating the manual without screenshots would befine :)
> > >
> > > adam
> > >
> > >
> > > On Wed, 2009-10-07 at 21:05 +0100, Maria Inmaculada de la Torre
> > > wrote:
> > > > Hi, and sorry for asking for help in here but first I might have
> > > > a
> > > > suggestion. Someone said that he found following the
> > > > conversation in
> > > > this format a bit confusing. I must agree with that, and I have
> > > > thought that maybe it could interesting to have either a Yahoo
> > > > or a
> > > > Google group, so that the option for the list in the way it is
> > > > now,
> > > > with emails is there but there is also the possibility of seeing
> > > > the
> > > > conversations in threads and separate by subjects as it works in
> > > > Google groups and I think in Yahoo too. That's just a suggestion
> > > > in
> > > > case you might want to consider that
> > > >
> > > > The other thing, I'm ashamed right now to say that I have spent
> > > > the
> > > > whole evening with this without result, but I was trying to
> > > > update the
> > > > Audacity manual with screenshots (the english version) and also
> > > > screenshots for the Spanish version and I have a problem. I'm
> > > > desperate right now and that's the only reason I ask. I use
> > > > Ubuntu
> > > > Jaunty 9.04 and I have a virtual Xp machine. Since Jaunty, I
> > > > believe,
> > > > the usb connections have stopped working even when you install
> > > > the
> > > > Guest additions. My situation is exactly the one described in
> > > > here
> > > > http://forums.virtualbox.org/viewtopic.php?f=7&t=22702# . I have
> > > > followed the instructions from the thread, reinstalled the guest
> > > > additions and nothing. Does anyone have an idea of what I'm
> > > > doing
> > > > wrong?
> > > >
> > > > In the meantime would it matter if I update and translate
> > > > without
> > > > screenshots for all systems but Ubuntu?
> > > >
> > > > Many thanks and sorry for diverting the issue from the FLOSS
> > > > manuals.
> > > > _______________________________________________
> > > > Discuss mailing list
> > > > Discuss at lists.flossmanuals.net
> > > > http://lists.flossmanuals.net/listinfo.cgi/discuss-flossmanuals.net
> > > --
> > > Adam Hyde
> > > Founder FLOSS Manuals
> > > German mobile : + 49 15 2230 54563
> > > Email : adam at flossmanuals.net
> > > irc: irc.freenode.net #flossmanuals
> > >
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> > >
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> > >
> >
> >
> >
> > --
> > Ana Ng and I are getting old And we still haven't walked in the glow
> > of each other's majestic presence
> > TMBG, Ana Ng
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > From: adam hyde <adam at flossmanuals.net>
> >
> > Date: October 7, 2009 2:33:22 PM MST
> >
> > To: discuss at lists.flossmanuals.net
> >
> > Subject: Re: [FM Discuss] Discuss Digest, Vol 29, Issue 8
> >
> > Reply-To: discuss at lists.flossmanuals.net
> >
> >
> >
> > On Thu, 2009-10-08 at 08:26 +1100, Lachlan Musicman wrote:
> > > On Thu, Oct 8, 2009 at 07:23, adam hyde <adam at flossmanuals.net>
> > > wrote:
> > > > hi,
> > > >
> > > > I am very sorry but we will not set up a yahoo or google group.
> > >
> > >
> > > Can I as why, out of curiosity? Is it the difficulty of extracting
> > > the
> > > list from them when they turn evil?
> >
> > i really dont see a need to do it
> >
> > adam
> >
> >
> > >
> > > cheers
> > > L.
> > >
> > >
> > > >
> > > > Updating the manual without screenshots would befine :)
> > > >
> > > > adam
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > On Wed, 2009-10-07 at 21:05 +0100, Maria Inmaculada de la Torre
> > > > wrote:
> > > > > Hi, and sorry for asking for help in here but first I might
> > > > > have a
> > > > > suggestion. Someone said that he found following the
> > > > > conversation in
> > > > > this format a bit confusing. I must agree with that, and I
> > > > > have
> > > > > thought that maybe it could interesting to have either a Yahoo
> > > > > or a
> > > > > Google group, so that the option for the list in the way it is
> > > > > now,
> > > > > with emails is there but there is also the possibility of
> > > > > seeing the
> > > > > conversations in threads and separate by subjects as it works
> > > > > in
> > > > > Google groups and I think in Yahoo too. That's just a
> > > > > suggestion in
> > > > > case you might want to consider that
> > > > >
> > > > > The other thing, I'm ashamed right now to say that I have
> > > > > spent the
> > > > > whole evening with this without result, but I was trying to
> > > > > update the
> > > > > Audacity manual with screenshots (the english version) and
> > > > > also
> > > > > screenshots for the Spanish version and I have a problem. I'm
> > > > > desperate right now and that's the only reason I ask. I use
> > > > > Ubuntu
> > > > > Jaunty 9.04 and I have a virtual Xp machine. Since Jaunty, I
> > > > > believe,
> > > > > the usb connections have stopped working even when you install
> > > > > the
> > > > > Guest additions. My situation is exactly the one described in
> > > > > here
> > > > > http://forums.virtualbox.org/viewtopic.php?f=7&t=22702# . I
> > > > > have
> > > > > followed the instructions from the thread, reinstalled the
> > > > > guest
> > > > > additions and nothing. Does anyone have an idea of what I'm
> > > > > doing
> > > > > wrong?
> > > > >
> > > > > In the meantime would it matter if I update and translate
> > > > > without
> > > > > screenshots for all systems but Ubuntu?
> > > > >
> > > > > Many thanks and sorry for diverting the issue from the FLOSS
> > > > > manuals.
> > > > > _______________________________________________
> > > > > Discuss mailing list
> > > > > Discuss at lists.flossmanuals.net
> > > > > http://lists.flossmanuals.net/listinfo.cgi/discuss-flossmanuals.net
> > > > --
> > > > Adam Hyde
> > > > Founder FLOSS Manuals
> > > > German mobile : + 49 15 2230 54563
> > > > Email : adam at flossmanuals.net
> > > > irc: irc.freenode.net #flossmanuals
> > > >
> > > > "Free manuals for free software"
> > > > http://www.flossmanuals.net/about
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > _______________________________________________
> > > > Discuss mailing list
> > > > Discuss at lists.flossmanuals.net
> > > > http://lists.flossmanuals.net/listinfo.cgi/discuss-flossmanuals.net
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > --
> > Adam Hyde
> > Founder FLOSS Manuals
> > German mobile : + 49 15 2230 54563
> > Email : adam at flossmanuals.net
> > irc: irc.freenode.net #flossmanuals
> >
> > "Free manuals for free software"
> > http://www.flossmanuals.net/about
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > From: " 0v ." <vlax at espora.org>
> >
> > Date: October 7, 2009 2:32:23 PM MST
> >
> > To: discuss at lists.flossmanuals.net
> >
> > Subject: Re: [FM Discuss] Alternate list interfaces
> >
> > Reply-To: discuss at lists.flossmanuals.net
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > to me this discussion list is working fine
> >
> > the way you configure your e-mail client to read messages is the way
> > it show them,
> > with discussion lists like this always is a better idea to configure
> > the client to show
> > you and organize the threads
> >
> > Janet Swisher escribió:
> > > How about linking to a newsgroup via
> > > Gmane? http://gmane.org/about.php
> > > With a name like "gmane.org.flossmanuals.discuss". That way, folks
> > > who don't want to read the list in their mail client can read it
> > > via
> > > the web or a newsreader. The link can be set up so that only
> > > subscribers can post via Gmane.
> > >
> > > (Personally, I subscribe to this list via Gmail, which handles the
> > > threading for me. I have found that that digests reduce only the
> > > *number* of messages one receives, not the amount of work required
> > > to
> > > read them, because it's tedious to skip messages in a digest.)
> > >
> > > Note that Gmane is not related to Google or Gmail, despite the
> > > similarity of the name.
> > >
> > > --Janet
> > >
> > > On Wed, Oct 7, 2009 at 3:23 PM, adam hyde <adam at flossmanuals.net>
> > > wrote:
> > > > hi,
> > > >
> > > > I am very sorry but we will not set up a yahoo or google group.
> > >
> > > > adam
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > On Wed, 2009-10-07 at 21:05 +0100, Maria Inmaculada de la Torre
> > > > wrote:
> > > > > Hi, and sorry for asking for help in here but first I might
> > > > > have a
> > > > > suggestion. Someone said that he found following the
> > > > > conversation in
> > > > > this format a bit confusing. I must agree with that, and I
> > > > > have
> > > > > thought that maybe it could interesting to have either a Yahoo
> > > > > or a
> > > > > Google group, so that the option for the list in the way it is
> > > > > now,
> > > > > with emails is there but there is also the possibility of
> > > > > seeing the
> > > > > conversations in threads and separate by subjects as it works
> > > > > in
> > > > > Google groups and I think in Yahoo too. That's just a
> > > > > suggestion in
> > > > > case you might want to consider that
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > Discuss mailing list
> > > Discuss at lists.flossmanuals.net
> > > http://lists.flossmanuals.net/listinfo.cgi/discuss-flossmanuals.net
> > >
> >
> > --
> >
> > ________0_______
> > [espora.org/~vlax]
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > From: Janet Swisher <jmswisher at gmail.com>
> >
> > Date: October 7, 2009 2:51:19 PM MST
> >
> > To: discuss at lists.flossmanuals.net
> >
> > Subject: Re: [FM Discuss] Alternate list interfaces
> >
> > Reply-To: discuss at lists.flossmanuals.net
> >
> >
> >
> > My suggestion would have no impact on those who are happy with the
> > list as it now works. It would simply provide an alternate means of
> > access for those prefer not to use email for this purpose, or who
> > are
> > stuck with brain-dead mail clients.
> >
> > On Wed, Oct 7, 2009 at 4:32 PM, 0v . <vlax at espora.org> wrote:
> > >
> > > to me this discussion list is working fine
> > >
> > > the way you configure your e-mail client to read messages is the
> > > way it show them,
> > > with discussion lists like this always is a better idea to
> > > configure the client to show
> > > you and organize the threads
> > >
> > > Janet Swisher escribió:
> > > > How about linking to a newsgroup via
> > > > Gmane? http://gmane.org/about.php
> > > > With a name like "gmane.org.flossmanuals.discuss". That way,
> > > > folks
> > > > who don't want to read the list in their mail client can read it
> > > > via
> > > > the web or a newsreader. The link can be set up so that only
> > > > subscribers can post via Gmane.
> > > >
> > > > (Personally, I subscribe to this list via Gmail, which handles
> > > > the
> > > > threading for me. I have found that that digests reduce only the
> > > > *number* of messages one receives, not the amount of work
> > > > required to
> > > > read them, because it's tedious to skip messages in a digest.)
> > > >
> > > > Note that Gmane is not related to Google or Gmail, despite the
> > > > similarity of the name.
> > > >
> > > > --Janet
> > > >
> > > > On Wed, Oct 7, 2009 at 3:23 PM, adam hyde
> > > > <adam at flossmanuals.net> wrote:
> > > > > hi,
> > > > >
> > > > > I am very sorry but we will not set up a yahoo or google
> > > > > group.
> > > >
> > > > > adam
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > On Wed, 2009-10-07 at 21:05 +0100, Maria Inmaculada de la
> > > > > Torre wrote:
> > > > > > Hi, and sorry for asking for help in here but first I might
> > > > > > have a
> > > > > > suggestion. Someone said that he found following the
> > > > > > conversation in
> > > > > > this format a bit confusing. I must agree with that, and I
> > > > > > have
> > > > > > thought that maybe it could interesting to have either a
> > > > > > Yahoo or a
> > > > > > Google group, so that the option for the list in the way it
> > > > > > is now,
> > > > > > with emails is there but there is also the possibility of
> > > > > > seeing the
> > > > > > conversations in threads and separate by subjects as it
> > > > > > works in
> > > > > > Google groups and I think in Yahoo too. That's just a
> > > > > > suggestion in
> > > > > > case you might want to consider that
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > From: Ahmed MANSOUR <911freak at gmail.com>
> >
> > Date: October 7, 2009 2:56:02 PM MST
> >
> > To: discuss at lists.flossmanuals.net
> >
> > Subject: [FM Discuss] request: translation of XO manual into Arabic
> >
> > Reply-To: discuss at lists.flossmanuals.net
> >
> >
> >
> > Hello,
> >
> > As we are preparing a small deployement of OLPC laptops, we would
> > like
> > to translate the http://en.flossmanuals.net/xo into Arabic, the
> > language code is "ar".
> > so please someone add it to the list at translate.flossmanuals.net
> >
> > Thanks
> >
> > Ahmed Mansour
> > OLPC-Morocco team
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > From: adam hyde <adam at flossmanuals.net>
> >
> > Date: October 8, 2009 12:44:24 AM MST
> >
> > To: discuss at lists.flossmanuals.net
> >
> > Subject: Re: [FM Discuss] things i hate...
> >
> > Reply-To: discuss at lists.flossmanuals.net
> >
> >
> >
> > On Wed, 2009-10-07 at 14:08 +0100, Alan Pope wrote:
> > > 2009/10/7 adam hyde <adam at flossmanuals.net>:
> > > > ugh...i brought a book to experiment with the sony ereader
> > > > (since FM
> > > > will be producing epubs soon via objavi). and...man...was that a
> > > > mistake. DRM prevented me from transferring it to my reader
> > > > since for no
> > > > good reason other than I dont use windows so i cant use Adobe
> > > > Digital
> > > > Editions to transfer the book to the reader
> > > >
> > >
> > > Tried Calibre?
> > >
> > > http://calibre.kovidgoyal.net/
> >
> > sorry, i missed the point of your recommendation before...i tried
> > Calibre with the DRM material and it would not transfer it to the
> > sony
> > reader. Calibre reported the problem and said it was necessary to
> > use
> > third party tools to remove the DRM first.
> >
> > I did, by the way, try transferring the DRM epub to the sony ereader
> > manually (dragging it from Ubuntu to the mounted drive)...this
> > worked
> > for non DRM material but not the DRM epub...
> >
> > Also,..I tried dragging all the Digital Editions files related to
> > the
> > DRM protected epub to the sony ereader and it still didnt work.
> >
> > For the Sony ereader (and other DRM friendly ereaders) either you
> > need
> > non-DRM protected material, or (for some DRM protected epubs) you
> > need
> > the Adobe Digital Editions to do all the management of the file for
> > you.
> >
> > It isnt a very friendly situation. I came away understanding even
> > more
> > clearly how DRM damages the brand perception of publishers.
> >
> > Also, just as an aside...ironically, the book with the DRM that
> > would
> > not transfer to my sony reader, even though I had paid for it like a
> > good citizen, was published in the 19th century...ie...its copyright
> > protection had expired...by stopping me from transferring the
> > content to
> > my reader DRM was stopping me from exercising my 'rights' gifted to
> > me
> > by copyright
> >
> > adam
> >
> >
> > >
> > > Cheers,
> > > Al.
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > Discuss mailing list
> > > Discuss at lists.flossmanuals.net
> > > http://lists.flossmanuals.net/listinfo.cgi/discuss-flossmanuals.net
> > --
> > Adam Hyde
> > Founder FLOSS Manuals
> > German mobile : + 49 15 2230 54563
> > Email : adam at flossmanuals.net
> > irc: irc.freenode.net #flossmanuals
> >
> > "Free manuals for free software"
> > http://www.flossmanuals.net/about
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > From: adam hyde <adam at flossmanuals.net>
> >
> > Date: October 8, 2009 7:00:02 AM MST
> >
> > To: discuss at lists.flossmanuals.net
> >
> > Subject: [FM Discuss] is a book in the public domain?
> >
> > Reply-To: discuss at lists.flossmanuals.net
> >
> >
> >
> > found this :
> > http://onlinebooks.library.upenn.edu/okbooks.html
> >
> > quite useful
> >
> > adam
> >
> >
> > --
> > Adam Hyde
> > Founder FLOSS Manuals
> > German mobile : + 49 15 2230 54563
> > Email : adam at flossmanuals.net
> > irc: irc.freenode.net #flossmanuals
> >
> > "Free manuals for free software"
> > http://www.flossmanuals.net/about
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > From: adam hyde <adam at flossmanuals.net>
> >
> > Date: October 8, 2009 7:02:23 AM MST
> >
> > To: discuss at lists.flossmanuals.net
> >
> > Subject: [FM Discuss] distributed proof readers
> >
> > Reply-To: discuss at lists.flossmanuals.net
> >
> >
> >
> > this is also interestign ...
> >
> > http://www.pgdp.net/c/
> >
> > (found in my research about people that might like to use booki)
> >
> > adam
> >
> >
> > --
> > Adam Hyde
> > Founder FLOSS Manuals
> > German mobile : + 49 15 2230 54563
> > Email : adam at flossmanuals.net
> > irc: irc.freenode.net #flossmanuals
> >
> > "Free manuals for free software"
> > http://www.flossmanuals.net/about
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > From: Cara Bell-Jones <carabelljones at googlemail.com>
> >
> > Date: October 8, 2009 7:06:01 AM MST
> >
> > To: discuss at lists.flossmanuals.net
> >
> > Subject: Re: [FM Discuss] request: translation of XO manual into
> > Arabic
> >
> > Reply-To: discuss at lists.flossmanuals.net
> >
> >
> >
> > Hi Ahmed,
> >
> > You can start the Arabic translation here:
> > http://translate.flossmanuals.net/bin/view/XO_ar/WebHome
> >
> > and there's some information that may help you here:
> > http://en.flossmanuals.net/FLOSSManuals/TranslatingAManual
> >
> > p.s. thanks for the language code :)
> >
> > cara
> >
> >
> > Ahmed MANSOUR wrote:
> > > Hello,
> > > As we are preparing a small deployement of OLPC laptops, we would
> > > like
> > > to translate the http://en.flossmanuals.net/xo into Arabic, the
> > > language code is "ar".
> > > so please someone add it to the list at translate.flossmanuals.net
> > > Thanks
> > > Ahmed Mansour
> > > OLPC-Morocco team
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > Discuss mailing list
> > > Discuss at lists.flossmanuals.net
> > > http://lists.flossmanuals.net/listinfo.cgi/discuss-flossmanuals.net
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > Discuss mailing list
> > Discuss at lists.flossmanuals.net
> > http://lists.flossmanuals.net/listinfo.cgi/discuss-flossmanuals.net
>
>
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