[FM Discuss] booksprint on collaboration in Peru - and funding/licensing question/problem

[Matthew Biederman]

hi kiko!

hey man, do you remember me? SF/AV so long ago...  I keep bumping into you in the strangest places online!  Adam is an old friend and I had helped out with FM a while back when he was getting started so I stay in touch on the list...glad to hear you're still causing trouble in Lima...hope all is well down south.  I live in Montreal now, no more San Francisco....anyway, if you ever find yourself nearby, drop me a line!

take care,
matthew
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On Jan 5, 2010, at 11:59 PM, kikomayorga wrote:

> thanks Adam for your reply and for your offering,,
> 
> i´m shure we will soon be able to get some funding for a publication with an open license,, on a next sprint, when conciousness around is a bit more mature (ha!)
> or when we reach out to some more open minded sponsors, who will value free licenses...
> 
> it´s still a bit difficult to explain something like "free culture" in the corrupted peruvian market-jungle. and it´s even more difficult to make such a project sustainable,, so step by step,,, this time we´re collaborating for learning on collaboration, next time we´ll be collaborating for getting right shaped funding,, you´ll be hearing from us again soon : )
> 
> have a nice process!
> 
> Kiko
> 
> On Tue, Jan 5, 2010 at 1:17 PM, adam hyde <adam at flossmanuals.net> wrote:
> hey Kiko,
> 
> ah man...these universities...the irony. I feel for you.
> 
> we cant put it in FM if it has an 'all rights reserved' tag... you could
> try using booki...we will use it for the Transmediale book sprint...but
> even then Booki is really for the creation of open content...since its
> an alpha install we could look the other way and see it as a test...if
> we did this we could not offer support however and before we 'launched'
> booki you would need to either open the content or remove it from
> booki.cc...also, since booki is alpha, if booki broke in your sprint i
> cant offer any guarantees we can help in time
> 
> if you convince them to use at least a cc license we could put it in
> fm...i dont like doing this, but its a good project and i'd like to help
> if at all possible...or you could tell them 'yes we will give the copy
> right to the university', but just dont tell them under what license ;)
> bruhaha
> 
> adam
> 
> 
> 
> On Tue, 2010-01-05 at 10:06 -0500, kikomayorga wrote:
> > Hi Adam, hi everyone!
> > first,, my new year greetings to all of you,,
> > then,,
> >
> > As i had previously written to Adam, on January 22nd we are starting
> > in Lima, Perú a booksprint on "collaboration experiences in Perú".
> >
> > The sprint is inspired by a peculiar statistic from 2008, saying that
> > "peru has the highest entrepreneurship rate in the world". The sad
> > truth behind that statistic is that peruvians are not oriented to
> > entrepreneurship because of beeing able to devise any special
> > opportunity, but rather that people need to choose working "on their
> > own" because of unconfidence, built up over a long history of
> > corruptancy, violence and diffuse sense of identity.
> >
> > So, the aim of the booksprint is to collect experiences of success and
> > difficulties for collaboration among individuals, companies and
> > government.
> >
> > But one "problem" has appeared as we started looking for funding. A
> > private university shows to be very interested in funding our
> > publication, but they´re asking for exclusive rights over the
> > content... At that point i suppose this first booksprint we are
> > organizing couldn´t be "powered by" or "hosted" on the flossmanuals
> > platform, or am i wrong? As i read the FM FAQ, it says that the
> > content should be published under GPL... But sadly the lawyers working
> > for the university in discussion here still haven´t ever needed to
> > understand what "GPL" means (and that could take months!). We tried to
> > explain to them what the spirit of the sprint was,, that the content
> > should be available to everyone, (since it´s about usefull collective
> > learnings on collaboration). But they won´t fund the writing if the
> > content is not licensed to them.. thats the way they fund research
> > pubications....
> >
> > Of course we are deeply interested in the FLOSS ideals, expanded to
> > other subjects different from software, and we do our best to find
> > sponsors understanding and supporting expansion of FLOSS concepts...
> > But it seems in the third world it´s still hard to make
> > people/organizations change their minds.... I´m sure we will be able
> > at some point to find more suitable funding for "free" production. But
> > sadly not at this time.
> >
> > So the question i open here is if it is possible to use the FLOSS
> > manuals tools for editing a book that won´t be GPL ... please don´t
> > take me bad,, i´m just asking and sharing our problem here,, it would
> > be very usefull for us as for learning to know the platform... I guess
> > it could still be possible to include in the writing "inspired by
> > FLOSS manuals",,  but if it´s not possible this time, i guess we can
> > wait for the propper moment...
> >
> > thanks,
> > Kiko
> >
> >
> > pd: As i think on GPL or CC, i wonder if it´s possible to include "the
> > figure of the sponsor" as part of the license, something like
> > CC-made-possible-by "xxx",, i don´t know much on licensing so i´d
> > really appreciate if someone can direct me to some info / example on
> > that...   : )
> >
> >
> >
> >
> 
> 
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