[FM Discuss] [CF] Re: need for CF mailing list // Fwd: historical collaborative writing

Mon Jul 12 02:19:30 PDT 2010

Re need for CF list, I've copied FM-discuss since nobody said they minded me
doing that.

The historical collaboration is super interesting. I added it as a bullet to
the things we didn't get to chapter.

I also attempted to wrap up the free as in free world chapter by moving some
of it to the things we didn't get to chapter and adding a closing paragraph.

Are we done now? ;-)

Mike

On Sat, Jul 10, 2010 at 3:15 AM, Michael Mandiberg <mandiberg at gmail.com>wrote:

> I understand best practices, but i think mushon has put it well below. I am
> also on the FM discuss digest list, and I only rarely read the emails b/c
> there is so much that is not my signal. i would suggest that if we use the
> list, we put a prefix on all emails. so a subject line would read something
> like this:
>
> CF: I will get the ISBN
>
> that way we can filter for the messages (visually or w/in yr email
> software)
>
>
>
>
> On Jul 9, 2010, at 3:20 PM, Mushon Zer-Aviv wrote:
>
> I generally agree with the generic best practice, and I see Adam's rational
> in prefering 1 live list rather than 2 dormant ones.
> I personally would like to see CF be a dormant one and have people drop by
> whenever actual work is being (/needs to be) done on the book.
> I am pretty sure the rest of the FM list would not have appreciated the
> noise of our back and forth about glossary and formatting and I would not
> really be interested in the internal discussion over a book about
> ffmpeg2theora. It is like saying, if you are into books, you'll be into any
> book. I beg to differ.
>
> I say, if the list wants to try the FM list then let's do that for a month,
> and then decide if we deserve our own place or not. I personally think it
> would be more practical to start with our own list.
>
> Re: Michael's find
> Super interesting stuff... It would be great for this to be either an case
> study or a glossary item. Are you into writing it?
> Even more important, would you help get us a new ISBN? I am pretty
> overloaded with both CF and my own work and could really use the help. I can
> give my CC or repay you or whatever. When we get that done, I will calculate
> how much do we have left out of the $1000 fortune we got for the second
> sprint and will follow up with Verina, Astra and Catherine to suck a few
> dollars as writer fees from it.
>
> cheers,
>
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> On 7/9/10 5:09 AM, Mike Linksvayer wrote:
>
> Adam's advice is definitely the generic best practice -- don't split a list
> until it gets painful. Let's just use FM until/unless we have a good problem
> to have.
>
> Mike
>
> ps Anyone care if FM list just gets copied on this thread as an intro? :-)
>
> On Fri, Jul 9, 2010 at 9:32 AM, adam hyde <adam at flossmanuals.net> wrote:
>
>> its up to you guys. i think its usually better to add to a community and
>> depart when it makes no more sense than to decide to set a new one up
>> which may or may not gain momentum. there are plenty of people on the fm
>> list that would find this post interesting. it is a community used to
>> experimenting with the idea of books and the process of creating them
>>
>> you could preface the subject with CF: - to catch y'all
>>
>> adam
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Thu, 2010-07-08 at 22:06 -0700, Michael Mandiberg wrote:
>> > i send this FYI, and also as a very good reason why i think there
>> > should be a CF specific mailing list (i had to go find an old email
>> > and copy-paste, rather than sending to CF-discuss at flossmanuals.net). i
>> > don't think this is appropriate for the FM list: i think it would get
>> > lost in that list, and i don't think it would reach any of the CF
>> > participants. I'm on the FM list, and I rarely read it at this point.
>> > too much noise, not enough signals directed at me. at some point,
>> > one-mailing-list-fits-all doesn't work anymore.
>> >
>> >
>> > so... I just saw this in an email from LACE in Los Angeles. It is a
>> > collaborative writing project that refers back to work done by
>> > Bernadette Meyer, a NYC poet from the 70's and 80's. A bit of research
>> > from here: http://jacketmagazine.com/07/rifkin07.html lead me to these
>> > two paragraphs. thought you all would be interested
>> >
>> >
>> > Unnatural Acts, the magazine that emerged from Mayer's Poetry Project
>> > workshop in 1972, also reflects a certain resistance, and suggests the
>> > distinct environment of the workshop as it contributed to the
>> > variegated nature of the St. Mark's scene as a whole. In its treatment
>> > of authorship and issues of literary property, Unnatural Acts might be
>> > situated on a continuum with such precursor little magazines as Cid
>> > Corman's Origin and Berrigan's "C," but it positions itself so far
>> > down that line that it ends up constituting a major departure. In its
>> > first issue, Unnatural Acts came out entirely without attribution or
>> > editorial information. Issue 1 consists of fifty-seven numbered
>> > sections, concluding comically and somewhat self-reflexively with a
>> > lone plaintive voice asking, "Does everyone here know what / an ashram
>> > is except me?"
>> >
>> >
>> > The product of a group of people gathering at Mayer's loft, writing
>> > for 8 hours, and then publishing the results, this first issue
>> > of Unnatural Acts exhibits all of the unevenness that might be
>> > expected from such a process. The second issue, which opened its doors
>> > to people outside the workshop, offers an explicit account of
>> > editorial policy and aesthetic agenda. A sidebar that continues from
>> > the front to the back cover declares that "each issue of unnatural
>> > acts magazine will be a collaborative writing experiment," going on to
>> > name the eleven contributors, indicate the date (November 11, 1972) on
>> > which the issue was written, and describe the fairly elaborate
>> > procedure out of which it developed: each writer brought a page of
>> > writing which was traded, rewritten, and discarded. Participants then
>> > selected one of the rewritten documents and used it as the basis for a
>> > new piece of writing. They noted the time at which their new work was
>> > completed, returned it to a common pile, and then chose another page
>> > to begin the process again; in the end, the poems were arranged
>> > chronologically to produce the magazine's format. The front and back
>> > covers (which you've got) contain a kind of disembodied conversation,
>> > commenting on this process and theorizing collaboration more
>> > generally. Just yesterday I found in the archive a sketch for this
>> > cover where this material is called a "manifesto" - it seems typical
>> > of the Unnatural Actsinitiative to revise the manifesto into a more
>> > dialogic and accretive form.
>> > Unnatural Acts 5 also elaborates its process, which directed writers
>> > and visual artists through four stages of collaborative engagement and
>> > exchange. After that issue, the magazine terminated, a fact
>> > attributable to funding problems, though it has been suggested that
>> > potential contributors from the community were discouraged by the
>> > magazine's no-names policy. "Our poems aren't our appearances," one
>> > excerpt from the Issue 2 cover maintains, "when you take out the I's /
>> > everybody is matched." It is tempting to imagine a community as well
>> > as a poetics founded on "taking out the I's," and it seems that
>> > Mayer's workshop and the extended group of writers and artists
>> > surrounding it began to approximate such a space. In its desire to
>> > take on the "unnatural" as its primary model for producing artworks,
>> > the workshop deviates radically from the fantasies of
>> > self-legitimation and organicism manifest in so many of the New
>> > Americans' poetic and institutional productions. The "necessity . . .
>> > to be as wood is," declared by Olson in "Projective Verse," is nowhere
>> > felt in Unnatural Acts, and Berrigan's half-ironic claim, that "I was
>> > and am "C" magazine...And I intended and intend for "C" to exist as a
>> > personal aesthetic statement by me," finds no correlative in Mayer's
>> > near-invisible self-positioning. In place of individual ambition,
>> > process itself appears to reign. In Issue 2, the collaboratively
>> > produced poems begin to meditate on the linguistic and social
>> > implications of this fact. I've given you one such poem, apparently
>> > submitted at 3:55. It begins:
>> >
>> > m
>> >
>> >
>> > Begin forwarded message:
>> >
>> > > NOT CONTENT: UN-NATURAL ACTS
>> > > w/ Amina Cain and Jennifer Karmin
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > Performances and Collaborative Writing Marathon
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > Taking its name from the historic collaborative writing marathons
>> > > led by Bernadette Mayer and others in NYC during 1972-73, UN-NATURAL
>> > > ACTS will explore the themes of hunger, war, and desire through
>> > > public acts of collaboration.
>> > >
>> > > Beginning with two days of installation and performance by Amina
>> > > Cain and Jennifer Karmin, a group of ten writers will gather on the
>> > > third day to write together over the course of eight hours. In a
>> > > daily ritual inaugurated on the fourth day, the outline of a new
>> > > person's body will be traced onto the bodies of text until the
>> > > project closes on 8 August.
>> > >
>> > > EVENTS:
>> > > Wed 21 July: Installation (12-5pm) and Hunger Texts Read in the
>> > > Dark performance (5-5:30pm) by Amina Cain
>> > >
>> > > Thu 22 July: Installation (12-5pm) and 4000 Words 4000 Dead
>> > > street performance (5-6pm) by Jennifer Karmin
>> > >
>> > > Fri 23 July: Unnatural Acts, 8 hours of collaborative writing
>> > > (12-8pm). Collaborators include: Jennifer Karmin, Amina Cain, Teresa
>> > > Carmody, Saehee Cho, India Radfar, K. Lorraine Graham, Harold
>> > > Abramowitz, Janice Lee, and a few surprises.
>> > >
>> > > July 24: Collaborative Reading and Artists' Talk (4-6pm). Readers
>> > > include: Jennifer Karmin, Amina Cain, Teresa Carmody, Saehee Cho,
>> > > India Radfar, K. Lorraine Graham, Harold Abramowitz, Janice Lee, and
>> > > more.
>> > >
>> > > UN-NATURAL ACTS is part of NOT CONTENT, a series of text projects
>> > > curated by Les Figues Press for Kim Schoenstadt's Painted
>> > > Over/Under: Part 1.
>> > >
>> > > Photo Credit: Bernadette Mayer and Jennifer Karmin August 2009, an
>> > > afternoon of collaborative writing Photo by Philip Good.
>> > >
>> > >
>> >
>> >
>>
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