[FM Discuss] public view deprecated

[joachim heintz]

adam -

i do completely understand what you say about do-ocracy. perhaps
democracy was the wrong word for what i wanted to ask for. it's more a
certain stability/reliability in some conditions. if i spread links to
let people look - without being registered - into a manual which is in
the write process, and these links are not working any more, from one
day to the next, i don't feel good with this.

i'd suggest to have a message at the "write" page about "this is just a
preliminary view for showing the last state of writing", to make it
clear that the function is just this, and not a nice view. but i think
this "write" view for everyone, without logging in, is a good chance to
get people in for writing.

	joachim


Am 31.01.2011 12:19, schrieb adam:
> On Sun, 2011-01-30 at 19:15 +0100, joachim heintz wrote:
>> hi -
>>
>> sorry if i missed some discussions here - i just saw that
>> http://booki.flossmanuals.net/csound/ does not show any more the manual
>> in the write stadium. as far as i see, everyone has to sign in who wants
>> to see the csound floss manual.
>>
>> this is a problem for me/us, by two reasons:
>> 1) the manual is not yet finished, so i wanted to wait until spring to
>> publish it.
> 
> ok.
> 
>> 2) i inserted the link to http://booki.flossmanuals.net/csound/ into
>> many documents, for instance the new version of the QuteCsound
>> application (all the floss manual examples are there, in the examples
>> menu). now all these links are senseless.
> 
> *as they should be*. this is why i dont like this interface being live.
> it is *not* the manual people should read. the manual will be published
> where it would have always been:
> http://en.flossmanuals.net/csound
> 
> however its good timing for to bring this issue up because I am meeting
> with Aspiration Tech and Aco this week to talk about workflow pathways
> for FM and booki. so we will take all this into the conversation and see
> if we can come up with a workable solution
> 
> 
> 
>>
>> i am not happy with the decision. i'd appreciate if such decisions could
>> be made in a more democratic, transparent way; at least informing the
>> maintainers. 
> 
> well. big issue! If people want more say in how FM runs then they have
> to do more. At the moment I don't get paid to work directly on FM. I
> hack a living from Book Sprints and finding dev funds for FM/booki
> through which i work with Aco and Douglas. 
> 
> Pretty much now it works that Aco and Douglas look after booki and I do
> all the FM bits and pieces - implement booki to work in fm, try to not
> piss Aco off to much with dirty hacks ;) etc
> 
> that makes up about 0% - 150% of my time depending on the day. 
> 
> I have tried many times to get more people doing more in FM (aside from
> making books). I tried to get a PR group going. It didnt get very far. I
> tried to ask for help fund raising. same result. I have asked people to
> hack booki and help us push the code base forward. same result. 
> 
> I have had a good response from requests for help with CSS - that has
> been one area that has worked.
> 
> However except with the help of John (who gets paid a little bit to help
> with some admin stuff and does a really good job)  the team remains for
> admin and maintenance and development and promotion and and hacks and
> funding and negotiating partners and deploying languages and marketing
> and outreach of FM - me.
> 
> Its a do-ocracy. The more you do, the more say you get. I am pretty much
> doing everything so I get to make more decisions. I always make them in
> a way I think is in the best interests of FM. Actually its not really a
> situation of 'i get to make more decisions' but there is no one else
> doing this stuff other than me, so there is no one to talk through the
> nuances, there is no one to bring implementation issues to the table
> etc. I do not like the idea of a whole lot of people acting in a
> democracy many stages removed from implementation and other big issues
> telling me what I should do, That does not make sense to me. Democracy
> here is a misfit. I am happy with a do-ocracy however. If anyone wants
> to prove themselves in that realm then they will necessarily get more
> say.
> 
> 
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> 
> adam
> 
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> 
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>> in my opinion, it should be the decision of the maintainers
>> if they spread links to "half finished manuals", or not. in the case of
>> the csound manual, i found it useful to offer a possibility for anyone
>> to look at the "half finished manual": teasing people in, providing some
>> finished chapters. i got some good feedback because of this possibility.
>>
>> 	joachim
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