[FM Discuss] 6PM EDT THURS: Sugar/OLPC Docs Meeting [WAS: Book sprint aug 16-23] [WAS: Sugar users manual]
holt at laptop.org
Wed Jul 9 13:16:06 PDT 2008
The call will be 6PM EASTERN TIME, Thursday July 10:
866-213-2185 or 609-454-9914
Access Code: 1671650#
Christoph, Seth, Greg, I (and hopefully Walter!) will discuss our
vision, and try to nail down what's realistic, for:
1. Short Term Docs, HTML, XO-Readable and Paper
2. Long Term Docs, HTML, XO-Readable and Paper
3. Kumbaya Physical Meetups/Sprints, just in case I don't meet all
~95 Support Volunteers on this 5000km roadtrip I'm currently on...
Anybody is welcome, if their phone (and thoughts!) aren't noisy. Unlike
my muffler :)
PS I'm actually in a gas station with nasty ankle-biters chewing my legs
as I type-- my muffler constructivism isn't perfect but it's done, so
off thru Kentucky heading South Without A/C :-)
Kim Quirk wrote:
> Hi Adam,
> Do you want to publish this call-in number? Who is invited (or not
> Which RedHat location are you near? (And I hope your vacation travels
> are going well!)
> If you want to keep the meeting small, then I will just send my
> concerns (below) and you can provide interested parties with an update
> or minutes from the discussions. I have added Greg Smith, Michael and
> Jim to this email as my concerns mostly revolve around schedule:
> 1 - I would like something that can be provided in a final build for
> 8.2: The big reason for this is because of the number of complaints in
> our category regarding questions on 'Getting Started'; and also
> because the UI has changed enough that it is a good opportunity to
> document it. In my mind, this is a high priority feature for 8.2.
> 2 - How do we schedule this work and make sure something is done in
> time for 8.2? I think that the schedules from both SugarLabs and OLPC
> need to be well-coordinated. I know Marco is trying to provide some of
> that feedback into Michael, but I believe there are still some
> questions, especially as it concerns activity updates. At the highest
> level, we are trying to get a release out by the end of August. If a
> better 'Getting Started' is going to be shipped ON the laptop is an
> activity (Help Activity); then we probably need the final code for
> that 2 or 3 weeks before our target ship date, which means very early
> in August.
> Since there are changes to how this activity would work (which I
> believe Marco is working on, or has already checked in), then we
> should get a 'fake' content, Help Activity as soon as possible to work
> out any bugs.
> 3 - If your discussion are more geared towards a pdf or manual that
> can be printed; then it may have a very different schedule. My
> question for that is whether we expect to make this manual somehow
> very easy to find (easier than the current one) -- changes in base
> code versus a content dowload (.xol). And then, if we want this
> content to be shipped with 8.2, then it should meet the schedule info
> from above.
> If you are just meeting to discuss content (which is also a good
> reason to meet), then recognize that it might be good to create short
> and longer term goals in order to efficiently use the knowledge of the
> people providing content for both goals. Or to split the group into
> short term vs longer term so that we will have something for 8.2.
> On Wed, Jul 9, 2008 at 2:27 PM, Adam Holt <holt at laptop.org
> <mailto:holt at laptop.org>> wrote:
> Christoph Derndrofer, Seth Woodworth, Greg DeKoenigsberg & I are
> having a call Thursday PM to help decide what's realistic both
> short term and long term. And a Friday lunch at/near Red Hat
> hopefully too :)
> Kim Quirk wrote:
>> Seth and others,
>> Sounds like a great idea, but it might miss 8.2 if you have to
>> wait until August for the sprint. We should be trying to get 8.2
>> out the door... not looking for last minute, new content.
>> Depending on where we actually are, there might be a lot of
>> pushback that it missed 8.2.
>> But I would encourage the sprint... because whenever the manual
>> is ready it can emailed or printed one-off for people. And it can
>> be included in 8.2.1 and future 8.2 releases. Also, what is the
>> plan for making it available and easily accessible in the UI?
>> We discussed a Help Activity - something we can put in the
>> interface, easy to find. What is the status of that? What can we
>> do to make that available as soon as possible? It would be great
>> if the same team who is going to create this FLOSS manual can
>> first put one-two weeks of work (in July) into updating Walter's
>> getting started html pages to match the new UI.
>> Also, my suggestion for getting the help activity into today's
>> build with today's GettingStarted (8.1 compatible) pages is twofold:
>> 1 - start testing out the process to get from webpages to Help
>> Activity and how to make that available for download.
>> 2 - we can point people to that TODAY for 8.1.x builds; and then
>> update it for 8.2 in the next few weeks (again, sooner than August).
>> On Tue, Jul 8, 2008 at 10:30 AM, Seth Woodworth <seth at laptop.org
>> <mailto:seth at laptop.org>> wrote:
>> It sounds like this would be a perfect manual for inclusion
>> in 8.2.0. <http://8.2.0.>
>> According to Michael a modified getting-started might be most
>> best for 8.1.2 in the short term.
>> ---------- Forwarded message ----------,
>> From: *David Farning* <dfarning at sugarlabs.org
>> <mailto:dfarning at sugarlabs.org>>
>> Date: Mon, Jul 7, 2008 at 10:17 PM
>> Subject: [FM Discuss] Sugar users manual
>> To: discuss at lists.flossmanuals.net
>> <mailto:discuss at lists.flossmanuals.net>
>> Cc: Education <its.an.education.project at tema.lo-res.org
>> <mailto:its.an.education.project at tema.lo-res.org>>, Samuel
>> Klein <meta.sj <http://meta.sj>@gmail.com <http://gmail.com>>
>> A introduction.
>> Over the past few week Adam Hyde, Anne Gentle, and I have been
>> discussing how FLOSS manuals and Sugar Labs can collaborate
>> on creating
>> the Sugar users manual.
>> I think we agree that it would be mutually beneficial to work
>> Anne and Adam have proposed conducting a Sugar book-sprint in
>> August. A
>> book sprint is very similar to a developer sprint. Floss
>> manuals has
>> conducted several productive sprints over the past few months.
>> I would be very interested in bringing together the writers
>> from FLOSS
>> Manuals, OLPC and Sugar Labs to conduct a joint sprint.
>> Adam proposed
>> getting together 5-6 core writers.
>> The two biggest question are:
>> Who is interested in participating? and
>> What are the logistics of conducting a sprint?
>> Adam, do you have a rough estimate on the cost of conducting
>> a sprint?
>> Walter, Adam do you have ideas where we could get funding for
>> holding a
>> Discuss mailing list
>> Discuss at lists.flossmanuals.net
>> <mailto:Discuss at lists.flossmanuals.net>
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