[FM Discuss] UI Challenge

[adam]

easy might be to render the pdf as a png...then embed that

for now though...how about some ideas on how to make that form on the
export tab work in a way that make sense to a new user...essentially we
need to take the objavi form and make sense of it...


adam


On Tue, 2010-08-31 at 21:29 +1200, Martin Kean wrote:
> An embedded pdf source in an iframe? And then the pdf would have
> to be generated first... and stored.
> And could the future page designer include supported files like pdfs? For 
> example a PDF of a halfpage advertisement.
> 
> Awesome thoughts Aco.
> 
> Martin
> -------------
> well, we use webkit engine to render html to pdf (plus some other
> tools). and as you guessed, it is not really possible to use browser
> engine (not even when it is webkit based, because it might not be the
> same version of webkit) to make preview pages. you must support all
> the features, bugs, and etc... the only way is to use the same tools
> to get 100% same result. and that means to use objavi to render it.
> now, it does not have to be "download" option, it can easily be some
> kind of embeded pdf viewer, but it has to be rendered on the server
> side.
> 
> i started work on some kind of book designer (still just proof of
> concept), would very much appreciate this conversation to continue.
> these days with html5 we could do magic and we could for sure make
> something close to InDesign :) anyhoo, tool should help with: design
> for online version, design for embeded html version, design for pdf
> version. it must support different "projects", make uploading of
> supported files possible (images and etc), online cover design
> (titles, images, text, scale, move, resize...) and etc. i think it
> would be something
> very useful.
> 
> aco
> 
> On Tue, Aug 31, 2010 at 7:39 AM, adam <adam at xs4all.nl> wrote:
> > On Tue, 2010-08-31 at 11:58 +1200, Martin Kean wrote:
> >> Fork yes!
> >> This is not just a great idea - I see it as the future and will replace InDesign et al.
> >
> > :)))
> >
> >>
> >> I think the online page design tool might look a bit like the Try It Yourself tool, with CSS code in a left-hand window, and a 'page preview' in a right-hand window.
> >> There might be check boxes and drop-down menu boxes eventually, but adjusting CSS code in its own window could be a starting point?
> >> So would the OBJAVI! page be built on to include more functionality?
> >
> > you mean like this?:
> > http://www.w3schools.com/css/tryit.asp?filename=trycss_default
> >
> > i think this could work but...im not sure it is possible to render the
> > page in html as it would be seen in PDF...or is it? could it be possible
> > to render html and show page breaks where the page breaks would be in
> > the pdf (for example)?...
> >
> > aco thought about rendering an example page from the book being worked
> > on and enable the booki user to download this. however...it would be
> > preferable to do this only in the browser if it was possible...but not
> > sure it is...
> >
> > regardless. looks like at least you and Rebecca are interested in
> > this...want to try a few things and send more ideas/screenshots etc back
> > to the list? :)
> >
> > (objavi options will be extended over time but not my much for now)
> >
> > adam
> >
> >
> >
> >> Nartin
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> >> Sent: Tuesday, 31 August 2010 4:42 a.m.
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> >> Subject: [FM Discuss] UI Challenge
> >>
> >> okedoke....
> >>
> >>
> >> so, the series of challenge posts asking for help with css, python, js
> >> etc has been really super. we have solved a lot of things this way with
> >> advice and help from the community (thats you :)
> >>
> >> so...big big thanks to everyone that has come to the assistance of booki
> >> through these mails :)
> >>
> >> so...i thought i would take this a step further and put rather a bigger
> >> challenge on the table. I have stepped back and observed how Booki has
> >> been used for pdf design - seeing how people (ie. Mushon and the RDC)
> >> are solving these issues. There has been some pretty cool things come
> >> out of this. Mushon in particular has been very active on the dev list
> >> (http://lists.flossmanuals.net/listinfo.cgi/booki-dev-flossmanuals.net)
> >> and helped us work out a lot of issues AND he has made some big strides
> >> forward with experimenting with CSS and book design using Booki/Objavi
> >>
> >> RDC and James are also doing great exploratory work in this area as you
> >> have seen through the posts to the list.
> >>
> >> One thing that strikes me, is that I think we need to consider providing
> >> an interface to assist people design pdf using the booki export tab...
> >>
> >> im not sure what this would look like...but i think its clear that both
> >> Mushon and RDC have struggled a little coming to terms with what is and
> >> isnt possible using CSS for designing books and so it seems somehow we
> >> need to provide support for this process with a more 'intuitive'
> >> interface...
> >>
> >> any ideas?...anyone want to take a stab at some interface proposals and
> >> put some images online (or a 'dummy' static webpage as an example of the
> >> UI)...
> >>
> >> adam
> >>
> >>
> >>
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